Combined diplomatic thread --Direction needed

[Hercules]

I sent this to Voltaire via PM.



Greetings Voltaire,

Our Cap'ns as you are I hope by now aware, totally with you on way forward , if we can hold out.

As stated we will be sending you our techs and maps, next turn regardless of what happens.

To try to ensure Peace survival you might care to consider further courses of action.

1.

Rush a Sea colony pod and launch it close to you but in our direction. Leave it empty. One of our schooners
might just be able to reach it faster than our transport. Then change our Peace Hive relationship from Pact to
Treaty (consult first, if and when this would be necessary), so that we can invade without having our forces
need to withdraw back to a base in our territory.

2. Capture a Data Jack base, near to you and also leave it empty. However the risk here is that DJ might steal
it back again before we get there and even if we get there.

As you can see we are considering everything. After our next turn we will know what is and what is not
possible for us.

One last possibility is that you indicate to the Cycon that you will intervene on our behalf if they do not stop
the war.

Best wishes

Cap'n Hercules.

Please, find attached to our Jumbo parrot, one of the last remaining barrels of 40 Year Old Xenorum.
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[Makahlua]

Latest from Maniac :

Hi foolish_icarus, (cc to Makahlua, johndmuller and Gert, Hercules - others have told me they're not active anymore or haven't read previous PMs yet)

quote:
under no circumstances would I be willing to surrender to your faction while there remains anything left of PEACE. I will probably remain in the ACDG, but even then I might join another team instead of yours.


I hope you aren't seriously considering to join the Drones or Hive, and I hope you don't consider the Consciousness the ultimate evil monsters, and the Hive or Drones paradise. If you do and if you are currently cooperating with them, we have some info about the actions of your supposed "friends" towards you in the recent past that you might find interesting...

Greetings,

Maniac

[Hercules]

Yeah I got that. If we survive we will ask the Hive about it later.

[FlameFlash]

To me that just sounds like yet another rotten trick among the CyCon to try and get us to stop putting up a fight.

[Hercules]

I have received a message from Honghu the Current Hive turn player.

In case we have a DL on board I am forwarding the message to regular posting cap'ns.

If you want a copy post here.

IN essence the Hive want only a selection of our offered techs (to keep their tech costs down). so they ask for specific techs to be sent mext turn.

They also notify us of a change in Hive - Cycon relations to treaty level.

[FlameFlash]

/me nods.

I liked everything I read, I suppose it's their perogative if they want fewer techs, eh?

[Hercules]

Just noticed this in a PM from Buster on the 7 Feb

Hi -

I just sent you all the techs which we have that you don't and which cyborgs have.

They are IIRC:

High Energy Chemistry
Doctrine Air power
Synthetic fossil fuels
Environmental economics
Biogenetics

possibly one more I forgot

It may be too late to make a difference - I hope not. At least they won't worsen your odds. In return I would like
thech you have don't (they are four IIRC)

I know you have an escape plan and hope to resettle - I hope you have luck with it. If you get able to settle
somewhere near us - we have the have the power to fend off any attacks that may come.

If you are not able to do so gas equipped planes can make a nasty exit. That is only recommended however if
you are beyond rescue.

Now the techs were sent pre-accepted so you could accept and not give us the techs we request. Should you
do that however do not expect our suppport. If you for whatever reason (and I cannot imagine one as you are
getting more and more advanced techs than we request back) do not wish to do the exchange that is alright but
you should then not accept the techs.

Besides that I have data on all cyborg bases etc I want to forward to you. You may have them already but I
believe I may have been tricked by a cyborg impersonating a Peace official to send them to the wrong person.

Let me know if you did not get them and where to then send them.

regards
buster

That's some bunch of techs. Maybe it'll scare of the Borg or we'll pop a pod that will deliver a noodle. Or would that be too quirky

[johndmuller]

I see no reason to look this gift horse in the mouth and would support the exchange he requests.

Maki, I would therefore recommend accepting the offer and then offering (preaccepted) all techs to them (with or without the maps, I don't care, but someone else might).

Interesting that Buster would suspect that he was tricked by the CyCon impersonating us - did anyone of us have any dialog with Buster that could have been misconstrued as that, or are the Borg really doing things like that too?

[Googlie]

Tass and I have issued a ruling on that to the affected parties. There was no malfeasance on the Borg's part. Buster made an erroneous assumption and the CyCon let him "wallow" in that assumption.

[FlameFlash]

Originally posted by Googlie
Tass and I have issued a ruling on that to the affected parties. There was no malfeasance on the Borg's part. Buster made an erroneous assumption and the CyCon let him "wallow" in that assumption.

/me shrugs.

[foolish_icarus]

Originally posted by Googlie
Buster made an erroneous assumption and the CyCon let him "wallow" in that assumption.

Can you tell us what the effect was or should we ask the Drones?

[Googlie]

Buster gave some information to the CyCon believeing that they were PEACE.

When he discovered his error he then fed some misinformation to them

The "effects" have still to play out

G.

[johndmuller]

Hard to imagine Buster jumping to conclusions like that without any 'help' from the Borg in that direction, but since Googs only gave us a 'teaser', instead of the actual story, one can't tell for sure.

I still haven't seen where there was any discussion about the Cycon taking over management of the PUT - Perhaps it occurred while I wasn't paying attention, but I do know that I would not have been particularly in favor of it had I had the occasion to post a comment.

[FlameFlash]

Originally posted by johndmuller
I still haven't seen where there was any discussion about the Cycon taking over management of the PUT - Perhaps it occurred while I wasn't paying attention, but I do know that I would not have been particularly in favor of it had I had the occasion to post a comment.

Not really our decision to make though... if the two teams wanted to serve each other they have every right to...

[johndmuller]

While trying to find a discussion thread about the Cycon/PUT merger, I read the Borg's thread in the ACDG forum about our war with them ... Peace/Cycon War Report thread ...

In there, I found this post about playing ahead:

from Maniac IMHO when a member would reload a few times and send a ship in all directions, and based on that information the turnplayer sends the ship in another direction to avoid discovered danger, I would consider it "playing ahead". However if for example the member of a faction responsible for military orders test-captures a base to see what would happen with b-drones etc, and also orders the turnplayer to repeat those exact same moves, I don't think there is a problem with "playing ahead".

Interesting how this relates to our dispute over the supposed exploit - the example Maniac gives of acceptable playing ahead being just what Cap'n Herc did when he recommended attacking the Cycon units in the move that the impartial mods made us take back. Seemingly the Borg engage in this form of playing ahead themselves, but find it to be cheating if other people do it.

I believe that this whole concept of good and bad playing ahead is a can of worms.

The 2nd example Maniac used (for good playing ahead) is carefully framed - avoiding mention of what exactly the military function would have done if he discovered that the base was unexpectedly strong and resisted being captured - would they still recommend that the turn player do exactly what they did then??? (Well, we think that what they would have done is to have gone crying to Tass and Googlie complaining that someone must be cheating since they were getting an unfavorable result.) Somehow I doubt that the military strategist would recommend a course of action demonstrated to be unfavorable, so how would that differ from Maniac's first example of bad playing ahead?