Combined diplomatic thread --Direction needed

[Flubber]

Originally posted by johndmuller


I think we need a well defined place to look for the latest word on the diplomacy, and/or more frequent diplomatic reports. I know that there is often nothing happening, but that is a piece of (sometimes missing) info as well.

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I post all significant events on this board as soon as they happen. I tried separate threads for our dealings with each faction but found that that was confusing as people would make all sorts of general comments in the specific thread. Now there is only one diplomacy thread except for the specific poll thread for the cycon doc flex trade.

I don't know what else you can expect-- I posted the cycon deals available and we have poll results indicating the faction's choice. I alos posted a deal with the university which I thought was pretty clear

[Flubber]

For clarity

DIPLOMATIC UPDATE


1. Drones-- no response to my messages-- I emailed mongoose who indicated that buster handled diplomacy and the email had been forwarded. I have since PM'd buster at CGN without a response

2. Cycon-- the poll thread contains all that had been offered

3.UNiversity-- we are agreed on doc flex for eth calc-- I just need the operations people to complete it--They are also interested in pact. I will start a thread on this topic.

4. Hive -- They have offered any two of app physics, biogenetics and doc loyalty for doc flex-- When I hesitated they offered app physics for doc mob straight up-- I continue to stall sice I want to get the drones talking before trading either of these techs-- The plan is to get something from each the hives and the drones for doc flex and doc mob


Thats it

[Hercules]

Ok that's clear.

For the University, (PUT) we will trade Doc:Flex our next turn. If they have pre accepted Ethical Calculus we will accept/pre accept Doc: Flex. If they still have negotiation status, we will still accept/pre-accept Doc:Flex.

All other factions no deal yet.

[Hercules]

I have just now read Flubbers post. I think the circumstances need to be explained to the Borg as to why nothing happened.

Secondly as we now want to trade (possibly Pact with the PUT), I think it is important we are able to say that we offered/traded Doc:Flex to our Pact partners first.

[Hercules]

BTW I am not being critical. I had a genuine reason for the non trading. It effected more than one faction. I feel we are now ready to conclude a deal with the Borg for Doc:Flex.

[FlameFlash]

I agree... let's hope that Buster responds to our hails soon or else that will leave the Hive probably trading with them.

Likewise I agree with the Doc Mob & Doc Flex deal to get those three techs from the Hive.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Hercules
BTW I am not being critical. I had a genuine reason for the non trading. It effected more than one faction. I feel we are now ready to conclude a deal with the Borg for Doc:Flex.

and I was not attempting to be critical of you . . I was offline for a while and you had a decision to make when facing time constraints.


I will be offline for the next 8 hours so pergaps you herc can call up maniac and see if we wtill have a deal

[Hercules]

This to Prime function Mani- Alpha- 3

Greetings Prime Function Mani -Alpha -3.

Ambassador Flubber has asked me to contact you due his being off line
for the next 8 hours.

In fact it was because of his work internet access having gone awol that
we had a small breakdown in communications. First I was going to be
absent for 36 hours approx so I asked for views and comments by 13.00
deadline on Friday 26th so that I could play the turn, otherwise it
would be delayed for that 36 hr period of time.

I received some feedback from fellow pirates on moves and builds but
nothing from Flubber.

We had initiated a poll earlier on the choices including a straight ecs
for tech deal and the tech for tech deal. It was fairly even, at the
time. However before the poll was closed Flubber indicated in the thread
that you had been in contact re a new 75ec offer/loan deal.

If his connection had not failed, no doubt he would have elaborated on
the specifics but as it was it created a degree of uncertainty as to
what had been concluded. Personally I thought Flubber was hammering out
a deal in the background.

This combination of factors meant I was unsure what the offer was. and I
also ran out of time. As you know well I usually am prepared to delay a
little, even if it does annoy the Hive and others.

So my apologies if this delay has caused further confusion.

Also I would not be contacting you directly if not for Ambassador
Flubbers suggestion I contact due to his present unavailability.

What I can say is the Doc:Flex is here sitting ready to go to you this
turn. We just need to finalise agreement. Ambassador Flubber mentioned
that the 75 ecs were for us to make use off, until HEC was delivered and
then would be returned to you. Is that a correct understanding.

Cap'n Hercules

[johndmuller]

Originally posted by Flubber
I post all significant events on this board as soon as they happen. I tried separate threads for our dealings with each faction but found that that was confusing as people would make all sorts of general comments in the specific thread. Now there is only one diplomacy thread except for the specific poll thread for the cycon doc flex trade.

I don't know what else you can expect-- I posted the cycon deals available and we have poll results indicating the faction's choice. I alos posted a deal with the university which I thought was pretty clear

All in one thread (more or less like this one, but definitely timestamped) was what I was suggesting, preferably without much discussion from the rest of us (except maybe requests for clarifications). A format like your post following the one I quoted, where each factions status is summarized, with links to any other threads where the specifics might be located, ie like the threads dealing with specific factions. This way, we could look 'here' if this thread is the one, for a summation, without having to figure out whether or not the info is current or superceded by some other thread and look at the more specific threads for background and detail and the bulk of the discussion. I don't thinnk this would be too much work, if it is, please suggest some other format that you think would be better. It would of course, require some cooperation from the rest of us to honor the system, but I think it could work.

[Flubber]

No your format suggestion makes sense and is within what I can do pretty easily.

I will create a thread where I just edit the first post with the current diplomatic status , maybe I can ask someone to "top" the thread so I don't have to bump it.

So there will be a single up to date summary thread with concise info and other threads where things get hashed out reported and discussed.

I will do this ( tomorrow) -- Late here now-- very long day

[johndmuller]

That sounds fine, Cap'n Flubber, and if you keep the latest status at the beginning of the thread, then it won't get obscured by whatever discussion ends up going in there (which will at least have the effect of bumping the thread anyway).

[johndmuller]

CyCon Now Has Doc:Flex

Well I guess the various communication snafu's ended up with them deciding to get it on their own (unless we made a deal and the mention of it actually happening is hidden in the middle of some thread or other). If indeed they acquired it on their own, then we obviously have no say in their use of it, so we need to watch out that whomever that was over in the East that we saw on a ship, that they don't make the deal for Doc:Flex with the Borg instead of with us. Otherwise, it doesn't really bother me that much as it hopefully will mean that the Borg will finish repaying us techwise sooner than would be the case if we traded forward again with them. We should, however, try not to lose any other deals through communications mishaps in the future.

I don't know when/if Hercules sent that note above, but if it was before the Borgs had made the deal with whomever, then that would be problematic. In any case, I would have expected to hear from them on the subject by now; all the more reason to look more toward the PUT.

Meanwhile, with the Borg demonstrating this obsession with Doc:Flex, one must assume that the chances of them getting aggressive with probes is reasonably likely and should be acted on.

We want defensive probes!

[Hercules]

This from Maniac

Oh darn. I read your mail just now. I'm afraid I ordered to trade with the
AI. :-( Since PEACE stopped negotiating after I sent the turn to you, I
assumed you were no longer interested in the deal.
In any case, a majority of the Collective was in favour of switching
research to HEC after we got DocFlex, so we'll be able to finally finish the
IndAut deal in some four years, and start with a clean slate. :-)

Greetings,

Maniac

[Makahlua]

And now there is the fact they are researching Doc : Init .... rrr. >_< I could be naive and assume they haven't checked our research lately and don't know we have it and thought what a dandy presnt it might make for us instead of HEC (it is possible that wasnt offered)........ but I dunno Can we bring that up with Maniac quickly? And negotiate a deal for it perhaps, just to keep them researching better (for us) techs?

[Hercules]

Re Deal with PUT.

It's not crucial this turn but where was Ethical Calc from the PUT as their side of the deal. Did Archaic not read his internal comms. Then on top they ask for Cycon Comm link. PUT are on route to Ecol Eng in 6 years, handy?

Their logic on strategy is probably right. Where when is ethic Calc, they owe us.

Cycon: Despite Maniac email, Cycon still pursue research of Doc: Init. ?

Hive passed over Applied physics we delivered Doc: Mob
Miriam 1 year to Non linear
Roze 6 years to SoHB

Ship news

PMS Santiago hit IOd and moved off side
PMS Revenge exposed more territory
PMS KinG Lear heads home, 2 moves left, west or south?
PMS Farragut. close to pod at 10.38

Then there is the build possibilities.

New base, Atlantis on that single tile isle, 42,54 ?

Rover on transport ready to pop next turn.

Sea Colony pod has met with dismal exploration possibilities near DenLand

Rush possibilities:

Rita, 11 ecs to finish Crawler
Casablanca, 13 to finish former


Oh B Drones have popped up

At Liar's Lair and HMB (finsih Supply Crawler for 28).

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