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Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
Evils of the American system:
Control of government by the corporations.
Exploitation of other countries.
European corporations exploiting Africa
(oil, diamonds, gold, arms market, etc...). You probably know that when the IMF gives a loan to a third world country, it is generally not in money, medicine, public infrastructure (such as roads, communications, health service and education, but rather roads from the slums to the mine, from the mine to the factory, from the factory to the airport, example from the Democratic Republic of Congo, ex-Zaïre).
Europe exploits mainly Africa, while USA exploit mainly South America (very simplified).
Control of European institutions by corporations
Today, in European countries, most of the intern affairs (especially economically) are dealt by European institutions rather than by national governments. These institution serve the profit of the european prosperity (limiting budget deficits, etc... -- I dunno all the technic terms for that in english, and the UE stuff are quite obscure to me), thus defavorising public service (see the example of energy, that has to be wholy privatised in 2004, while there are many strikes going on in France against partially privatising EDF (public electricity company).
These examples are only European, cause being European, I know Europe better than I know other countries, and in order to save time and be sure of what I say, I remained on european examples.
To sum up, neither American Capitalism, neither America, neither Capitalism have the monopoly of evilness -- what is evil, by the way ?
Not evils:
Some are richer than others.You cannot even say that "if they are richer, thats because they deserved it, they worked for it, etc...", because I wont let anyone say that Bill Gates worked harder than a child in a south american gold mine. They are richer because they were born at the good place and because they were ready to cause and use the misery of thousands other people, just for their own wealth. I consider evil to have 500 chickens when you can only eat one and throw the 499 others at the garbage to preserve the markets.
People think of themselves before others."Just because you're paranoid doesnt mean there's not someone following me..."
"I shall return and I shall be billions"
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Originally posted by Pandemoniak
Control of European institutions by corporations
Today, in European countries, most of the intern affairs (especially economically) are dealt by European institutions rather than by national governments. These institution serve the profit of the european prosperity (limiting budget deficits, etc... -- I dunno all the technic terms for that in english, and the UE stuff are quite obscure to me), thus defavorising public service (see the example of energy, that has to be wholy privatised in 2004, while there are many strikes going on in France against partially privatising EDF (public electricity company).
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I am totally pro-european, its just that we/they (?) are only building europe to face the USA, so we/they are making the same mistakes as them. I just hope it wont lead to the same results."Just because you're paranoid doesnt mean there's not someone following me..."
"I shall return and I shall be billions"
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I said : I think it is better than a system who's only built on the worst of human nature (greed, selfish, individualist, ignorance and totalitalitarian system) : modern capitalism.
GT said :
You mean American Corporatism. Big difference.
The 'evils' of capitalism that you like to decry are either features of the American system (which is not universal in the West, though it is in the US and most of the Third World), or else they aren't evils at all.
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There is indeed many way to run a capitalist society, but the 'evil I like to decry' are features of capitalism itself, not specific to any particuliar application of capitalism. It would ruin the Planet and let a major part of the population in misery, because theres no application of capitalism that can protect the planet and benefits to the whole society."Just because you're paranoid doesnt mean there's not someone following me..."
"I shall return and I shall be billions"
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Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
Sure there is. Emission trading and environmental laws, anyone?
On what do you base that claim?Last edited by Pandemoniak; December 13, 2002, 05:44."Just because you're paranoid doesnt mean there's not someone following me..."
"I shall return and I shall be billions"
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So, there are laws controlling economy... that isnt really free markets... All statistics and studies from experts say that there will be a dramatical increase of ecodamage, whichever law you choose to apply.
The riches get richer, the poor get poorer. Clivage between social classes will become enormous, producing an enormous number of disgruntled citizens.
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Maniac, I should reply to you either today or tomorrow. Sorry for how long this is taking, but I've had some IRL distractions.
In the meantime, you might have more success looking up "Deadweight loss" than "Social Cost Theory" (Though checking for just "Social Cost" would probably give you some success too, since there isn't an actual "theory" of Social Cost per se.).Veni Vidi Castravi Illegitimos
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That should be enough to show that Poverty isn't increasing.Veni Vidi Castravi Illegitimos
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