Official DoSE Poll: Social Engineering scheme

[Maniac]

Yeah! No SE quickies, you cheaters!

[Method]

Originally posted by TKG
MWIA: i suggest you hold a poll re: wealth now. we might get the tech for it in the next chat.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Maniac
Yeah! No SE quickies, you cheaters!

Since when is it a quickie? For Demo, we switch, stay out of Demo for that turn and the next, then switch back to Demo. For Planned, we switch into it for one year, then switch back the next year. In both situations, we have to live with the consequences of our short changeover.

[AdamTG02]

I voted no. Switching SE's that quickly is expensive. And I don't want Democracy to be something we as UN Peacekeepers do when convenient -- especially when other factions could compare us unfavorably with the Morganites for doing so.

[GeneralTacticus]

Your calcs are flawed, but by nowhere near the level Unskilled Labourer Pan's assumptions are.


For our game settings...

X = 2 * BASES / (6.4 * [4 + EFFIC])
B-Drones = X for all values of X>=1


At 20 bases with our current settings

2 * 20 / (6.4 * [4 + -1])
40 / 6.4 * 3
40 / 19.2
2.083_ B-Drones

For B-Drones to be 0 with our current settings, or with Demo/Planned, we need no more than 9 bases.
9 Bases = 18 / 19.2 = 0.9375 = 0 B-Drones
10 Bases = 20 / 19.2 = 1.046_ B-Drone

For B-Drones to be 0 with only Planned, we can have no more than 3 bases.
3 Bases = 6 / 6.4 = 0.9375 = 0 B-Drones
4 Bases = 8 / 6.4 = 1.25 B-Drones

For B-Drones to be 0 with Free Market / Planned, we can have no more than 15 bases.
15 Bases = 30 / 32 = 0.9375 = 0 B-Drones
16 Bases = 32 / 32 = 1 B-Drone

I stand corrected. That doesn't hurt my point any.

[Archaic]

Agreed GT. It only furthers our point.

Originally posted by AdamTG02
I voted no. Switching SE's that quickly is expensive. And I don't want Democracy to be something we as UN Peacekeepers do when convenient -- especially when other factions could compare us unfavorably with the Morganites for doing so.

I gave an RP explanation for this in the SE Debate thread. A temp. suspension of elections and the parliment while the bureaucracy is restructured to allow the citizens in the new colonies proper representation in the Peacekeeper Government.

[Frankychan]

Nope, stick w/Planned and Demo.

FM is too risky...we may get more drone's than we can deal with. Planned will also boost our growth, which I think we need.

[GeneralTacticus]

Nope, stick w/Planned and Demo.

FM is too risky...we may get more drone's than we can deal with. Planned will also boost our growth, which I think we need.

Going by the screenshots, only 2 bases will be in danger of riots if we recall the scouts before switching, and they can be dealt with quite easily by Psych & specialists.

[Pandemoniak]

Not that easily, GT, re-read my post with the stats for this.

[GeneralTacticus]

You're making these statements without taking into account the energy bonus from FM. With it, NA will get to 10 energy and TBIBTU will if it grows again.

[Pandemoniak]

No, I made it with the FM bonus. But look : 10% of 10 energy makes 1 energy for psych, with no onus of psych for facilities, thats not enough to make a Talent. With 20%, we can have one, and waste about twenty percent of our overall energy output for ONE talent. Psych is not the good way to deal with those drones.

If we make specialists, then our bigger bases wont be able to grow anymore. As the UN Peacekeepers, we can go to size 9 without HabComplex, so it would be our bigger mistake to stop growth at size 4 or 5.

[GeneralTacticus]

No, I made it with the FM bonus. But look : 10% of 10 energy makes 1 energy for psych, with no onus of psych for facilities, thats not enough to make a Talent. With 20%, we can have one, and waste about twenty percent of our overall energy output for ONE talent. Psych is not the good way to deal with those drones.

It's only a couple of energy units, and it willa llow us to keep production going as it is now. We'll still be making more money than we were before, and that one talent is all we need to prevent rioting.

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If we make specialists, then our bigger bases wont be able to grow anymore. As the UN Peacekeepers, we can go to size 9 without HabComplex, so it would be our bigger mistake to stop growth at size 4 or 5.

Which is why I want to use Psych, where possible.

[Pandemoniak]

[/quote]and that one talent is all we need to prevent rioting.[/quote]
U missed the point : We DON'T have this one Talent with 10% psych. We have him with 20% psych. And we have ONE talent, in ALL our bases (in NA).

[GeneralTacticus]

I'm talking about using 20% Psych. When did I give the impression that I wasn't?

[MrWhereItsAt]

First off, just to clear things up, there is no question of us changing instantly, it would be once we have returned those scouts and possibly not until we have some Psych improvements in those two problematic cities.

Just think of the advantage of VW here! Buying Network Nodes everywhere would REALLY help.

/shameless plug for VW off/

This IS a little risky, but if it doesn't work out we only need to change out of FM, we'd already be Democracy, so we just lose maybe 32 energy at most in the change back. But if it DOES work, think of the benefits!