The Empath Guild

[Frankychan]

And I do agree w/Adam

Planned does not necessarily mean a total switch to a Hive-like government (although myself and a few others may like to see that!)

although our debate on Thought Control is a different matter! (just joking!)

[GeneralTacticus]

Oh give me a break. They're portrayed as southern redneck hicks.

From the SMAC Manual

Even southern redneck hicks can be right once in a while.

True, our Drone's may riot for seemlingly "just" reasons, but should they turn to destroying our facilities if it comes down to it?

No. Most of the time, they just riot because they're PO'd, not because they have good reasons, not that they'd have the right to commit sabotage anyway. That doesn't mean they ALWAYS riot for bad reasons.

The Drone (when it comes to full blown sabotage) should be cut out of our society by proper enforcement of PK police units or even stepping up our garrison.

I agree with you there, though I think the best way of dealing with Drones is making sure they remain such a minority that they won't be a problem.

If this is the case, then we should watch the rest of our people (drone/talent/etc) so that more Drone's are not created.

Actually, we should do that all the time.

[Frankychan]

Hmmm, well since we seem to be on the same wavelength GeneralTacticus,

should we try to prevent the fomentation of drone's by assigned our citizens to specialist duties? Like doctor's or librarians?....or are we already applying these policies in our cities now?

[GeneralTacticus]

should we try to prevent the fomentation of drone's by assigned our citizens to specialist duties? Like doctor's or librarians?....or are we already applying these policies in our cities now?

AFAIK, we haven't had to apply such policies yet... I would say that if the problem is in just one or two bases, we should use specialists, but if it's a factionqide thing, we should use Psych spending instead.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Maniac
I agree with you Adam! Those capitalists should learn a left economy does not equal a totalitarian politic, just like a free market does not equal a democratic government.

And Socialists should learn that a right economy does not equal so called "wage-slavery", just like a Planned economy does not equal a "fair" democratic economy or government.

[Maniac]

Absolutely correct.

[Pandemoniak]

Though, the problem remains that Free Market make drones due to inequalities. The freedom of market should never be a threat to the UN Declaration of Human Rights.

[Maniac]

Absolutely correct. Therefore we need a middleroad between Pande's extreme left and Archaic's extreme right. Give more power to the government to control the excesses of the market.
Go social-democracy!

[Pandemoniak]

control the excesses of the market.

Go democratic socialism !

[AdamTG02]

For the record, I'm behind you 100%, Maniac. A mixed economy, not straight-up capitalism or cradle-to-the-grave socialism, is the most equitable economic system.

It's because this economy is so hard to fit into a SMAC category (though I believe Planned comes closest), and because SMAC brings in an additional criterion -- ecological harmony or the lack thereof -- that I am "flexible" on Social Engineering: Economics issues.

[Archaic]

"Green" comes closest to the mixed economy. It's what we'd call a modified market system, similar to what the UK and Australia operate under.

However, like I've said many times, the growth negative of it precludes its use until the later stages, and even then, it will almost certainly be better to stay in FM for more Commerce Income then to go to Green and hope for enough income from Paradigm + GA.

[GeneralTacticus]

Personally, I'd say FM using Psych would be closest to social democracy, without environmental regulations.

[Archaic]

Hmmm.....perhaps. Though one could argue that FM without Psych, but with a great deal of facilities ("Public Works"), would be the same sort of thing. Psych is more making people think things are alright, rather than actually making things alright.

And I believe I've said many times what I think about the environmental regulations with the long term "immunizing" effects of FM.

[GeneralTacticus]

Hmmm.....perhaps. Though one could argue that FM without Psych, but with a great deal of facilities ("Public Works"), would be the same sort of thing. Psych is more making people think things are alright, rather than actually making things alright.

I would see it more as funding things that aren't facilities, but which people still need, e.g. education & healthcare.

And I believe I've said many times what I think about the environmental regulations with the long term "immunizing" effects of FM.

The benefits or otherwise of environmental regulations are irrelevant. I'm simply stating that FM doesn't have them.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
I would see it more as funding things that aren't facilities, but which people still need, e.g. education & healthcare.

They couldn't have those without the facilities. But I suppose that's just quibbling over a minor detail

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
The benefits or otherwise of environmental regulations are irrelevant. I'm simply stating that FM doesn't have them.

*Shrugs* Perhaps, though I know that for some the percieved benifits or lack there-of of (not) having environmental regulations will colour all their decisions on this matter. Thankfully, it would seem you aren't one of those people.