P4 annoucement : Morale Policy

[Juliennew]

I am making this announce to make sure the P4 is well understood.

Punition Sphere policy
We don't support Punition Sphere blindly. Here is our policy for it :

ONE base will be used as a high security jail for the most dangerous criminals. This base will have a punition sphere to ensure security in this jail. And it will especially serve as a mineral production base. With all this mineral, this base will be used to support a part or, if possible, all of our Air Force. Crawlers will be deployed to ensure the highest mineral production possible. The P4 isn't happy to make this jail but it is needed for our security because we don't think that our faction will be spared by violence and crimes. For sure, the P4 want and will do the all the things to prevent violence (distraction - high income for the people - education - no racial, political or religious discrimination) but we must be realistic on this point : A jail will be needed at a certain point.

War policy
The P4 support peace strongly as war would cripple our commerce income. Peace is the engine of a good economy and good conditions of life. It is also the engine of a free democracy.

In consequence, we are against any declaration of war.

Atrocity policy
The P4 also stands against atrocities. Genetic war, nerve stapling and uses of PB are completely out of agenda. Any decision toward the use of atrocities will be fought by the P4.

The only thing the P4 allows is the construction of PB but only for deterrence purpose and should never be used.

[Pandemoniak]

Re: P4 annoucement : Morale Policy

I am making this announcement to make sure the CCCP is well understood.

Punition Sphere policy
We don't support Punition Sphere at all. See our atrocity policie for further details.
Repression is not the way to deal with criminals. They must be reeducated and reinserted into the civic life.

War policy
The CCCP support peace strongly as we all belong to mankind and are brothers.
In consequence, we are against any declaration of war. But we will not allow anyone to commit atrocities, and are therefore ready to declar vendetta upon such people who desnt deserve their humanity.

Atrocity policy
The CCCP also stands against atrocities. Genetic war, nerve stapling and uses of PB are completely out of agenda. Any decision toward the use of atrocities will be fought by the CCCP. We agree on that with the P4.

Note that we consider Punishment Spheres as atrocities, because it is not a human way to treat another human.

CCCP's policy about building but not using PB has to be discussed, but we obviously wont be nicely welcome by Planet if we come with PB in our hands.

[Juliennew]

Repression is not the way to deal with criminals. They must be reeducated and reinserted into the civic life.

It is also the P4 policy but are you realist when you think that 100% of the criminals will be successfully reinserted ?

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Juliennew

It is also the P4 policy but are you realist when you think that 100% of the criminals will be successfully reinserted ?

How can we call ourselves "humane", "democratic" and "peacekeeping" when we put criminals in a sphere and begin torturing them!?

[Kassiopeia]

Re: P4 annoucement : Morale Policy

Originally posted by Juliennew
Punition Sphere policy
We don't support Punition Sphere blindly. Here is our policy for it :

ONE base will be used as a high security jail for the most dangerous criminals. This base will have a punition sphere to ensure security in this jail. And it will especially serve as a mineral production base. With all this mineral, this base will be used to support a part or, if possible, all of our Air Force. Crawlers will be deployed to ensure the highest mineral production possible. The P4 isn't happy to make this jail but it is needed for our security because we don't think that our faction will be spared by violence and crimes. For sure, the P4 want and will do the all the things to prevent violence (distraction - high income for the people - education - no racial, political or religious discrimination) but we must be realistic on this point : A jail will be needed at a certain point.

Tell me...

This base has lots of crawlers crawling for Minerals.
Therefore, it hasn't got much nutrients.
If it hasn't got much nutrients, there won't be much population around.
And considering PKs get an extra talent for every 4 citizens, there won't probably be drones at all in this base.
So, pray tell, why build a Punishment Sphere in the first place?

Down with nerve stapling! Down with Punishment Spheres!

[Method]

Julien: a conversation in the chat has revealed that a size 1 base with a specialist as its citizen would not need a PS to control pascifist drones caused by air units!

Houray!

[Crisler]

Julienew,

Exactly when did this hard line against atrocities come into play? Not that long agao the P4 politica thread basically said yeah we should use them but sparingly. Another part said well at the very least develop them and have them on stand by. Now suddenly the official party line is zero use or tolerance? Leaves me wondering how much of this is political manuvering and how much is true conviction.

The Fundamentalist Faction has had from day one a ZERO TOLERANCE policy against atrocities in any form, and yes we consider the punishment sphere an atrocity.

The war ploicy of the Fundamentalist faction is also well know. We support peace first as the main option. We will do all within our power to find peaceful solutions. However is an enemy will not try peace and continues to attack us, then we support a massive, quick and successful strike against the enemy. All out war until the enemy returns to the peace table.

Peace is vital we all agree but only a fool will not defend himself. The best defense is a good offense, the key is learn how not to use that offense.

E.L. Crisler
Fundamentalist Faction

[Juliennew]

Not that long agao the P4 politica thread basically said yeah we should use them but sparingly.

Does talking inside a political party is taken as an official stance ? No. We talked about atrocity policy and the party decided that there won't be atrocity at all. And me as a indivuality, I never supported atrocities.

But if you want to play this game

Here is that I saw in the fundamentalist thread :

We acknowledge as Truth that the native life of Chiron is in a fallen state, and without the light of our Lord shining upon them they have been perverted and are an abomination in the eyes of God. This applies especially to those satanic "mind worms". It is a duty of every righteous man to rid this world of their plague, so that we may indeed transform this planet into a new Garden of Eden.

Is it your party's policy ? No, it was also during the debate of your policy. So please read the general party policy on the first post of our thread, not elsewhere. Thanks.
I don't like to play this kind of game because it doesn't help to credibilize political parties, so please stop and debate only on ideas, not on scandals.

Another part said well at the very least develop them and have them on stand by

We were talking of PB ONLY. The P4 policy is to build PB for deterrence, not for use them. Nerve stapling and genetic warfare are banished from our policy.

Leaves me wondering how much of this is political manuvering and how much is true conviction.

Where's the problem ? You are using rumors, not official stance of the P4.

[Juliennew]

Concerning the Punition Sphere policy, it could be reviewed if there are not needed at all. We need t odebate it between the members of the party.

[Crisler]

Originally posted by Juliennew

We were talking of PB ONLY. The P4 policy is to build PB for deterrence, not for use them. Nerve stapling and genetic warfare are banished from our policy.

And what about Planet Busters and Nerve Gas? These where the items I saw mentioned that where said to be created and held for what if.

Did not your own candidate for Commissioner say that he is a "strong believer" for building a stockpile of Planet Busters?

Did not your Commissioner Candidate and one of your parties leaders not say that the use of nerve stapling is okay if used during period of sunblock for communications?

In fact did not that same leader sya the the middle ground of building but not using the weapons of atrocities unless threatened was a good middleway policy?

In fact a leader of your party commented on how the Punishment sphere is a good item to have for warefare times and was a big reason he was NOT anti-atrocity?

When your party decided not to use Punishment spheres but build them anyway, not sure why you would do that, was not the idea of only avoiding atrocities while the charter in place not prosposed, in fact the only reason to wait that was forwarded by that person was to avoid economic problems.

Did you yourself not say that you favor building PlanetBusters as a political move?

Basically your whole party has looked at atrocities from the view point of what they might do if we are cuahgt, many of us do not do atrcoities because they are ATROCITIES!

You are correct P4 should be well understood. As for the comment my compatriot made, be sure to post the rest of the thread where he changed his position in favor of the party line. Plus at that time we where two and only one of us has been running for office.

I am not using rumors, I am using the words used by the members of P4.

E.L. Crisler

[Juliennew]

Crisler, I leave you with your useless debate ...
If I wanted to use what Leland said about Planet (Cf my last post), I could but I won't do because it is completely useless and it doesn't reflect your party policy. At your difference, we aren't single-minded and think that internal debate inside a party is very fruitful. But using this internal debate to decridibilize a party isn't very fairplay and I expected more wisdom from your part.

The official policy of the P4 is NO atrocities and UPHOLDING of the UN charter. Is it clear enough ?

For the people who wants to see what the P4 stands for and debate it wisely, look at the first post of our thread.

[carpathia]

War policy
"The P4 support peace strongly as war would cripple our commerce income. Peace is the engine of a good economy and good conditions of life. It is also the engine of a free democracy. "

What are you crazy. Peace is not the engine of a good economy. What brought america out of the great depression in the fourties?

[Juliennew]

What are you crazy. Peace is not the engine of a good economy. What brought america out of the great depression in the fourties?

One big difference, the war wasn't on the American soil. And what crippled the European economy in the 20's ?
IMO, it is completely off-topic.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by carpathia
What brought america out of the great depression in the fourties?

Answer: a socialist policy: large government support, in this case in the military industry. A middleground between the ultra-right American policy of laissez-faire of the previous decades and the ultra-left Soviet policy of total state control. Balance between extremes is the answer! Flexibility!

[DeathByTheSword]

I want to help julliennew here because the FF is talking rubbisch. Julliennew already said that you can not look at the thread as a official policy but only the first post. and about my strong believes in PB if you look at 20th centruy on Earth the only reason there was NO largscale conventional war between NATO and the Warschaupact is that they had a large stack of citybusters ready to fire. I belief that we can use this old earth habit as good as we use the old believes of earth. on the case op PS we have to dicuss that within our party. I belief this discussion wil benifit us all.