Civ V - Working The Land

[Hauldren Collider]

I just don't get why they feel the need to fix all these things that aren't broken

[Ming]

They need a different game... we are talking civ FIVE. So they will make a lot of changes to make it different, and then correct for their mistakes in later patches and expansion packs. We've seen it before, and we will see it again. By the final patch and expansion pack, we should have a great game

[giblets]

I guess it's like the cost of maintaining the road is deducted from the tile's output. That makes sense, I guess.

[rah]

Having an ongoing maint. cost for roads would solve road spam in a very realistic way.

[Wernazuma III]

Having an ongoing maint. cost for roads would solve road spam in a very realistic way.

Problem solved. Next.

[Warui]

No more stacking? Finally! They're going back to a more normal civ style. Even though you could stack units in 1/2, it was stupidity since 1 hit would kill the whole stack so the game didn't devolve into "Make 100 units and place on 1 tile and move said tile from point A to B." Will they bring back ZOC? That would also bring some strategy back into the game. Was so stupid the way you could just sit there in your base and stack up 100 units all game long then just walk right in.

[self biased]

With the city radius expanded to 3 tiles, giving a penalty to non-resource/city hexs would bring the number of productive hexs back to a more familiar number.

where did we find this out?

[rah]

I'm counting (and looking forward) to the return of ZOC.

[Brael]

Having an ongoing maint. cost for roads would solve road spam in a very realistic way.

That's a good idea.

[Arrian]

I must be in a small minority that likes both:

a) lots of roads (don't mind "road spaghetti" at all); and
b) manual control over worker units.

Blah.

-Arrian

[Felch]

Roads should cost a flat rate to maintain, and provide a percentage bonus. So if it costs 1 coin to maintain and gives a 50% bonus, then you're encouraged to build roads wherever there's 2 or more coins, but you're not just going to spam them out.

It's simple, it's consistent with reality, and it encourages a little thinking before laying roads down.

[Dinner]

I'm counting (and looking forward) to the return of ZOC.

I always hated ZOC. I mean with just three units you could lock up a whole stack (stacks are out but you get my point) but even without stacks ZOC will probably make some land approaches unassaultable when in reality it might e costly but enemy lines could be attacked.

[wodan11]

I always hated ZOC. I mean with just three units you could lock up a whole stack (stacks are out but you get my point) but even without stacks ZOC will probably make some land approaches unassaultable when in reality it might e costly but enemy lines could be attacked.

And is there some reason you can't just attack the ZOC unit?

[Theben]

In the board game Third Reich you could move past a ZOC if you left behind an equal # of units to counter it.

[SpencerH]

The main point wrt ZOC and some of the other discussion points for Ci V is that combat needs to be fixed. The old Sid aphorism that "Civ is not a wargame" is nonsense. If you want to win (big) you play as a warmonger. It's time to include wargamers rules for ZOC and supply as well as other issues!