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  • #61
    I feel like I'm chiming in a little late, it looks like you've probably got you're civs lined up now.

    But in terms of who goes where, I would personally do something like this:

    1. England (Canada, Australia, South Africa)
    2. USA (Israel)
    3. Japan (South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore)
    4. EU (EU countries, including Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Cyprus, Malta and Turkey(?))
    5. Russia (Little Asian countries, some of East Europe)
    6. Southeast Asia (Thailand, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Cambodia, Vietnam(?))
    7. Mexico
    8. Andean Nations (Peru, Bolivia, Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador) (I think it needs a better name because Venezuela Colombia Ecuador Guyana and Suriname aren't very Andean)
    9. Mercosur (Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay, Argentina, Chile)
    10. African Union (All Africa except in 1, 11, 12)
    11. Secular Islamic States (Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Pakistan, Indonesia)
    12. Islamic Fundamentalist States (Libya, Sudan, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia (?))
    13. China (NK, Mongolia, Tibet, Vietnam(?), Cuba(?))
    14. India (Nepal, Sri Lanka)


    I put South Africa with the Commonwealth because even though apartheid is over, all the wealthy people are Britishy.

    I agree with putting Israel with the US because of land-size concerns, but I don't think your average American or Israeli sees such a connection (your average Iraqi, o the other hand...) Also, Taiwan and South Korea work fine with Japan, because they are similar enough economically and should NOT be part of China.

    I included a list of brand-new EU members who I think have shifted completely away from the old Warsaw Pact and should be EU in a modern setting. Turkey is a question mark, because although it is a part of NATO, it might be a while before it makes the EU. If not, it's probably a Secular Islamic state.

    Russia should have fewer easter European countries now, and I think the Ukraine and Belarus fits with it. Vietnam might fit with China, though it seems to be going it's own way and could be part of SE Asia.

    Not sure what to do about Central and South America. Having visited Argentina, I'd put it completely on it's own, since they all seemed to think they were European Perhaps you could do a little reading and find out who all has had military dictator "presidents" fighting socialist "freedom fighters" with U.S. money and training. They could be one civ. I kind of like putting Cuba with China just for strategic reasons, though I don't know how accurate it is. Maybe give it to Russia.

    As for Africa and the Middle East, it might be more interesting to break countries up along ideological boundaries rahter than geographic. One thing the U.S. govt seems to not get is that the Ismaic terrorist organizations are not fond of Iraq, because it's seen as way to secular. You could break them down between secular Islamic countries and fundamentalist. Saudi Arabia is on the borderline, since their government tries to please both sides. Pakistan, by the looks of the last election, is moving toward the fundamentalist side. It still might seem weird putting Iraq in with Pakistan, Eqypt and Jordan. Anyway, after all that is done I would lump the rest of Africa together because so many of those countries are dealing with the same issues, like post-colonialism, revolutions, AIDS, etc.

    If you want another civ, you could put the rest of Eastern Europe and the former Soviet states into one and call it Eastern Europe or something. They would have low tech and economy but some nukes.

    For another civ, you could break off Indonesia and put it with Malaysia, New Guinea, the Philippines and Micronesia and call it South Pacific Group or something. Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore are certainly world-class economic powers.

    Just my two cents.

    BTW, I'd love comments on my Colonization mod, located here:
    http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=65213
    Colonization for Civ 3
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    http://www.jasonmorrison.net/civ3/

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    • #62
      First of all, hello to thy forum, since im new here
      After this, I´d like to say that this mod is taking a very interesting look, so I´d like to add my 2 cents, rather than criticize...
      I´d like to remember yoou that Brazil and also Venezuela have some very capacitated ParatroopersBeing actually considered some of the best in thewhole world, so don´t forget to add some.
      As we still ave conscription in here (if nobody noticed yet, I´m Brazilian), you could add, just for flavour, some 2 or 3 conscripted infantry here and there. Maybe, if you have enough time and disposition, you could do 2 carriers, an old one (WW2) wich could carry only planes, and another one, new, who could carry Balistic missiles and Nuclear Warheads.
      It could also be interesting for gameplay to put Brasil and argentina appart, so that one nation would have to conquer the other first in order to gain supremacy in the south (and in this case Brazil should be much more powerful in means of army!!!! MWAHMWAHMWAHMWAH! Ops, I´m being partial!).
      Maybe you could put some rebel units around Israel(though not Barbarians) to respresent the palestin... same thing with Chechenia...
      Are there going to be new modern wonders? Also, the B29 you talked about in a post around there has any nuke carrying capacity?
      I´m already way too long, let me bid you all farewell and good luck!
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      • #63
        I'm beginning to think that a Post-PTW release will be better. 31 civs will be great -


        1. Canada
        2. US
        3. Mexico
        4. Caribbean Nations
        5. Central America
        6. Venezuela
        7. Colombia
        8. Brazil
        9. Andean South America
        10. Argentina
        11. England
        12. Western Europe
        13. Central Europe
        14. Eastern Europe
        15. Russia
        16. China
        17. Japan
        18. South Korea
        19. Taiwan/Singapore/Malaysia
        20. French Indochina
        21. India
        22. Pakistan
        23. Iran
        24. Israel
        25. Arab Middle East
        26. Arab North Africa
        27. Middle Saharan Africa
        28. Central Africa
        29. South Africa
        30. Australia
        31. Oceania

        Something like that would be awesome. (Though I'd have to work very hard to figure out the trade balance. Uber-resources are easy to make, but it's difficult to get them exactly right.) Also the radar towers and airbases would be really nice, and the new guerillas and WWII units will be helpful (each unit with PTW is one more unit that the people don't have to download)

        I'll release a 1.29 compatible version as well for those who don't buy PTW.
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        • #64
          One idea for the PTW version: since wonders small and great alike will be able to have any attribute, make whatever FP-type wonders you make Great Wonders. This way, it will be possible for conquerors to get production out of their conquered territory, and if the original owner re-conquers the area, they won't have to build the FP-type wonder over again.

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          • #65
            True. I look forward to PTW very much. I'm doing the city placement now (60 or 70% of the work,) and then I'll figure the rules out when PTW comes out.
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            • #66
              I think that it would be better to have a normal civ3 version (what we were doing up to this moment) and a ptw version.

              Not all the people will buy the PTW.

              And I say, keep the mercosur in the civ3 version and divide South America as you wish in the ptw version.
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              • #67
                agreed
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                • #68
                  Whats your timeframe?

                  If you mean the scenerio to start from today, then any type of tank before WW2 makes no sense. No one, no matter how poor or backward, uses any tank less advanced than a T-34 or a Super Sherman tank, no one.

                  As for cavalry- it should have the same atatck as riflemen and even lower defense. the fact that the afghans used cavalry means little-its not reallt a very viable form of unit anymore.

                  What about guerilla units? Again, if you are starting from today, in terms of time, most armed men have assualt rifles or better- verall, carbines and blt rifles, while sill around, are not very relevant.

                  And on armored cars: This unit should be common for small civs- lots of state have large armored cars fill the space of tanks.
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                  • #69
                    Yes, the old tanks probabily will not be used since there are so many tank units out there now. That chart just had those units because it's best to start big and get rid of stuff as you go.

                    I forgot about guerillas, I'll have some of those.

                    Little countries will have lots of Armored Cars and Technicals.
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                    • #70
                      On the number of military units:

                      I know that the normal urge is to create a huge number of units, but I think that it is more realistic and more interesting, to hold the numbe of units way down. For example: Take a civ like mexico: the states represented by it all have tiny armies and almost non-existent airforces and so forth. To give such a civ anything more than one unit per city (some sort of police, internal security unit) and then maybe 6-10 'army'units seems totally out of line. In act, i like that idea: of internal security units (police and paramilitary, as opposed to army) that make sure cities don't just stay defenseless, to be complemented by 'army units' that would do fighting and defending of cities against enemy armies (aftre all, no modern state has armored divisionsguarding its cities)

                      Also, units should be expensive to own ofr the more advance states, with 2 or 3 gold upkeep. the fact is that modern armies are not that huge: they work on notion of vast firepower ussed in pintpoint ammounts. we will never see a WW2 type of massed armies of millions fighting on thousand mile fronts. So, making units very powerful, but costly and rare would gve a far more accurate picture of the world than armies of 200 units per civ slugging it out (and it also makes the game go faster, makes strategy and keeping all your units more important)
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                      • #71
                        I've had a few busy weeks, but I've turned in my research paper outline and halloween and another "don't do anything useful" sort of day is coming up on friday because of the end of the quarter, and then I'll have the weekend, so I think I can finish the entire world city placement.


                        hehe look at em go
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                        • #72
                          Sorry if that grammar is incomprehensible. It's early in the morning.
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                          • #73
                            Hey, Jag, two questions: What is a "technical", and what hgh school?
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                            • #74
                              You live near me? I'll probably be at Whitman next year. A technical is a truck with a machine gun on the back. You see lots of them in Black Hawk Down.
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                              • #75
                                I'm a junior over at Springbrook HS, in Silver Spring. On another note, I've never heard that term before.
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