LEADERHEAD: Canadian: Trudeau

[Marcus Agrippa]

Canada would be an interesting Civ to have. Canada might be nothing more than an offshoot of Britain, but the same can be said of the US. And, for that matter, Britain is just an offshoot of Rome. ;-)

[machiavelli137]

A bad thing about the mountie as a UU, though, is that Cossacks pretty much
take care of it: cavalry with a higher defense. Unless you want to replace Russia
with Canada. I mean, in some ways, it makes sense.

[JohnnyCanuck]

A better idea for the mountie is to have higher defence but lower attack to reflect our pacifist nature. That way the cossack is an entirely different unit.

Canadian mountie could be 4/5/3 perhaps.

[NMiller5a]

It's unbeleivable that some people are getting so mad over a Canadian mod for Civ 3. Its true that Canada is far from being one of the most powerful and influential nations of all time, but why get so upset over a modification to let them in? People who don't want it don't have to get it. Its that simple.

I think a couple of the Canadians are over-stating Canada's contribution to the world. Its true that some inventions have come from Canada, but that is true for basically every country. Canada's troops in the World Wars weren't a determining factor. Without the United States, the allies would've surely lost (especially WW2.)

I may be wrong, but I remember someone saying that Canada's contribution to global civilization is at the same level as that of the United States. That is terribly wrong. The airplane, modern Democracy, the internet, electricity, the light bulb (by a Canadian living in America), and many other things were all invented or discovered in America. And don't forget, fast food, soda, jeans, and many other elements of the new "global" culture all started in the United States. Canada's important, but doesn't come close to America.

[JohnnyCanuck]

Hi NMiller5a, you are exactly right.

America is and always has been 10 times the size of Canada, and their contributions are generally to the same proportion (ten times greater than Canada's contributions) in whatever issue you are talking about.

Canadians seem to over-state Canada's contributions in defence of their country. This isn't always a bad thing, we have to be nationalistic to avoid losing our unique identity forever to American culture.

[KrazyHorse]

Canada's troops in the World Wars weren't a determining factor

In WWI they might well have been. We put a million men in arms, and they had much more of an impact than the US' troops, given their much earlier arrival.

[dunk]

Pompey is just another jacka$$ who thinks Civ is some grand scheme to rate every civilization that has ever existed. My civ is better than your civ so your civ doesn't deserve to be in the game. What a jacka$$.

Keep it up kids... Add more choices for me. But, I probably won't replace any civs in the game. I'll just add ones in when it's possible. I want 100's of them.

[Cairo_East]

Originally posted by dunk999
Pompey is just another jacka$$ who thinks Civ is some grand scheme to rate every civilization that has ever existed. My civ is better than your civ so your civ doesn't deserve to be in the game. What a jacka$$.

Keep it up kids... Add more choices for me. But, I probably won't replace any civs in the game. I'll just add ones in when it's possible. I want 100's of them.

That's what I like about Europa Universalis II, you can start with any civilization and try to make it great. Some countries are larger or more powerful, but it avoids judgment by providing dozens of options. I frankly don't see why Civ3 doesn't include more civilizations and just provide a .jpg image of a ruler like they did in Civ2. All you would need is a list of cities, and maybe you could have a few more UU's, but that would be it. In Civ2 I made a modpack that had a names for 30 different countries and nations from Chileans to Koreans, but I couldn't do that now without extensive image alterations and a UU upgrade for each nation.

Oh well.

[erikmistal]

If someone were to make this it would be pretty funny.

Mad: Show him giving the middle finger
Happy: Show him doing a piroette
Neutral: Show him... being neutral
Defeated: Show him with the middle finger, only have him with scratches and bandages etc...

So long!

[Switch]

First, I don't like getting into petty discussions, but Pompey, that was about as ignorant as people booing the national anthem of their neighbours (both us and the US are guilty of that, I'm afraid). Just because a Civ is small, it doesn't mean you have to say it's insignificent and shouldn't be played for fun. And I don't know about you, but up here we have this thing, I'm not sure how to describe it, but most people call it tact. If your gonna talk with people who aren't your best friends that don't care if you badmouth'em, you NEED to learn it.
Now, if Canada never existed, we wouldn't have insulin, penisilin, time zones, snowblowers, telephones, etc, and most importantly, an amazing accent eh? I'm not saying we did a lot, but what we did do is pretty important. And more importantly, these people are working on the Canadian civ simply because it's fun, and its neat to play out your own country's history. I mean, if people didn't have fun making stuff, where would the giant mind-controlled squid in RA2 be? (yes, they actually put it in there because they thought it would be fun).

Secondly,, and to the more important subject, for the UU I'm not really all that sure what it should be...if you're going for a serious civ here, then go for the shock troops (replace rifleman, 5/6/1. That would be about when WWI was). However, in the spirit of the thread, I'd have to say Mounties (replace Cavalry, 6/4/3. Better defence, like Mounties are mainly defensive, plus has a ZOC, i.e. patrolling and border guarding. Or 7/3/3 to keep different from Cossak, though 6/4/3 is better. The 5/5/3 idea ain't bad, though).
And again, if you want to be serious, John A. Macdonald would be a better leader (he officially created Canada), though again, Trudeau is the better choice. Everybody knows of Trudeau (at least IN Canada)

[WW1 Nut]

hrrm the US was the ones that won the wars eh?

well for starters they are known woldwide as "operation rainbow" because as we all know the rainbow always comes AFTER THE STORM!

And to quote General Ludendorff (possibly one of the best generals of all time easily better than patton)

"The value of the American troops lies not in their ability to fight but in their ability to relieve British troops in quite sections of the lines."
(in other words they sucked)

I think Laura Seacord should be a hero just because she beat the US army....

Somehow we need to incorperate Canadian Troops burning the white house.. oh yeah they never taught that did they, the reason it's white is because that was the only paint they had left to cover the burn marks after the Canadian's were through with Washington

I personally think we should have an infantry unit known as the Black Watch 'cause they were the elite commandos in WWI

DIDN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE DID WE! yeah bugger off! we won WW1, note the placement of the Canadian troops and the German reserve forces, the germans knew that they needed all the help they could get cause wherever the Canadian's were there was trouble

Didn't do anything in WW2? How about Dieppe, damn I hate idiots. We were used as the first test beach landing, without the Canadian's there wouldn't have been a D-Day, or a VJ-Day for that matter.

What did the Aussies do? well they play great rugby.. they get shot at... and make the premise for one HELL of a bad movie staring Mel Gibson when he still had the accent...

oh and in WW1, Canada went from an unranked position to the third largest navy in the world, that includes Great Britan at it's height and Germany trying to catch Britan.

OH and to all those Americans who think their country is sooo great? well look at this Canada lost more soldiers (to british incompetance friggan Haig) in WW1 than the US has lost ever (total), that doesn't mean America's better, no it means we have balls and aren't afraid to take a couple of punches and keep going.

(ps we beat Australia in under 19 wold rugby, so really soon they won't even have rugby .. boo hoo Friggan Croc Hunter he should be shot)

Yes Canada does deserve a place in the Civ games, the only reason it wasen't included is because it came later in history, the only reason USA is there is because the game wouldn't have made as much money cause they're conceited bastards over there. We did alot (not to mention that a guy in toronto invented the paint roller )

Any one that thinks there is a more industrious country in the world I would looove to see them try and top Canada, why 3 simple words ... Hudson's Bay Company hehehehe top that, it owned more land than the US did at the time.

AND TO ALL THE AMERICANS UUUUUUUUU there's a U in coloUr and in honoUr

for our special unit I'd propose JTF2, yeah nobody knows about it really, but remember that's the point, they're secret commando troops that rival those that come out of Switzerland and the German Mountain school.

Ranger, Marines, Green Berets, Aussies, they just blow.

(anyone want to make a Canada vs USA mod?)

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Soapyfrog
Canadians are no more British than Americans. We are certainly more culturally diverse...

Does America have the Queen on its currency? Does it have the Changing of the Guard at a palace in Washington? You guys are way more British than us.

"Culturally diverse" is a matter of opinion. We have more Hispanics and Blacks, you have more Europeans.

But of course I am creating a Canada civ.

[Changmai Beagle]

Trudeau Salute

Quote:

Mad: Show him giving the middle finger
Happy: Show him doing a piroette
Neutral: Show him... being neutral
Defeated: Show him with the middle finger, only have him with scratches and bandages etc...


Erikmistal - I love it. Out in the boondocks of the west, that's sort of how we viewed him. Just think of the reaction when Chretien tried to rename Mt. Logan to Mt. Trudeau. Them were fightin' words....

Even today, the biggest slam against the Kyoto accord is that it could have the effect of another National Energy Program. Interestingly, Trudeau's attack on provincial resource control ended with a new section in the Constitution being added to strengthen them (92A).

[mrboo123]

I LOVE IT!!!! THANKS FOR MAKING IT!!!

Originally posted by Komet163
(...)Personally I would probably have the "Shock Troop" which is an infantry with an extra attack point reflecting the Canadian Expiditionary Force in WWI which had many victories at Vimy Ridge and Passchendale etc.

Well I made the Peacekeeper, with low attack, high defences, movement at 3, cost 1 cizten, and does everything a worker does.

Originally posted by Komet163

(...)Here is the deal I call for a vote on what you people think the UU should be. I vote for the Shock Troop, unless someone could tell me how a Peacekeeper unit would work.

Well, you could have high d, low attack, cost 1 cizten, and does everthing a worker does

Originally posted by Captain
(...)There's a great book on this whole "inferiority complex" thing by Will Ferguson called "Why I Hate Canadians". Check it out sometime. It's an interesting look at how many Canadians look at their national identity as an anti-thesis, especially being dwarfed culturally, economically, and politically...

Love that book, a quote from the book is in my sig.

[tanky24]

I AM CANADIAN!!! To state for the record, what canada HAS accomplished... Graham Bell was a Canadian, who invented the telephone, Bombardier (not sure first name) Invented snowmobile and of course builds most aircrafts of today, 75% of the apollo space program was done mostly in Canada because we are a scientific people and we have more then enough resources. We invented the Canadarm, which if it was never built... neither would have the International Space Station.
It was said, NO ONE!!! wanted our land, the Americans had tried MANY!!! times in 300 years and failed everytime, and Canada even invaded the US and burnt down the white house and the capitol building, rather then occupying, we went back up home to canada.

During WW1 and WW2, the united states took most of canada's credit for huge military campaigns that toppled the Germans and the Nazi's , best example is vimy ridge and Beaches of Normandy.

Today Canada has a ****ty military, very true... but is was our choice. We felt and still believe that Free Universal Medicare is far more important. Honestly, you can only have one or the other.

Now to say Canada or America is not a civilization is false and true, only by what you define a civiliation.
If you believe that to be a civilation a nation must have an ancient culture and must exist for a long time.Then Canada or America or not civiliations. If you consider a ation must contribute in some profound way to the cultures of the world, then both America & Canada are civiliations.

The AUSTALIAN who bashed canada eailier was right in saying australia has accomplished very little, but what can you expect from a former British Penal Colony.

BTW Just because we are in the northern hemisphere doesnt mean nothing is here, we are considered to have the largest amount of natural resources in the ENITRE world (stuff form civ 3)ei., Lumber, Gold, Oil, Iron, Cattle, Wheat, Fish, Whales, Fur.

Canada however is not expanisionist, we're Scientific/Commercial and our prefered government is Democracy in my MOD i use Federalist Democracy it has Universal Medicare (double you pleasure MOD)