Tweet
Hmmm, I've never insulted anyone on these boards yet but Pompey's definitely tempting.
Chill, let us make ourselves our own civ, we're not asking everyone to play it. We just want it for ourselves.
I've never been a flag-waver and I'm not about to start now.
We Cdns shoot ourselves in the foot when we try to be americans and brashly overstate our importance. Those who consider themselves so much better than us should ask themselves whether they need to push us down so they can feel taller.
Remember, if you lack the skill to play well, just toot your horn louder!
The reality? Economically we are quite significant. Politically less so. Culturally, we remain a young nation. Militarily - significant only during specific time periods. Do we deserve to be in Civ 3? No more than the US, but no less than the Iroquois. So why not?
As for a UU, may I suggest an upgraded destroyer?
Mounties don't have any representable skills. As for PKs, yes, we have a very good peacekeeping rep, but it's not for our fighting prowess. it's for our diplomacy and the fact that we seem less belligerent, and seem to have less vested interest, thus we seem more impartial than our neighbouring "world policeman" to the south, or even our "friendly father" across the sea. We appear carry less baggage. We may not, but the image counts. Lester would agree. We have long be nuke capable, but why bother? it's costly and would damage our 'peaceful' image. besides uncle sam's got plenty to go around.
The destroyer is better because of how important it was to the war effort in WW1 and 2. Americans often say they won the war for GB, but Cdns were the ones who kept the Brits alive long enough for the Yanks to finally decide to join in. (the french and other europeans also played a big role - delaying the german push and actively resisting. kudos especially to the 9 norwegians who sacrificed so much to stop the german atomic program by sabotaging the heavy water plant at Vemork. the russians played a big part too, though in 1 they quit cuz of revolution and in 2 Stalin had a N.A.P. til 41. 'nuff said.)
How about increasing its movement and defense value. They were invaluable for convoys getting arms & supplies to Britain.
Hmm, increase attack too, since you've got to sink Uboats. No bombard increase though - it wasn't a battleship.
(today's new frigates are the fastest combat ships out there, plus everything is done by missile/anti-missile now so they easily outrange yesteryear's battleships - *obviously no ship can outrun a missile)
Admittedly the current state of our military leaves much to be desired but WW1 and 2 proves Canada can be a forced to be reckoned with when it's fully mobilized. UK beware, we won't automatically jump to it next time. There's too many of us non-Anglos here now.
Commercial and Industrious would be my preference. Americans were more expansionistic in the sense that they settled the land faster. We just explored it. (course, we weren't a nation til 1867)
Industrious because that's the type of people who immigrated here and continue to today. those looking for a new home to make a better life than the one they left behind - starting from scratch you'd better be industrious!
Commercial because trading companies sponsored the first explorers, expeditions, and outposts. can you say export?
Caveat, I usually play with unique attribs turned off. I like a level playing field.
Chill, let us make ourselves our own civ, we're not asking everyone to play it. We just want it for ourselves.
I've never been a flag-waver and I'm not about to start now.
We Cdns shoot ourselves in the foot when we try to be americans and brashly overstate our importance. Those who consider themselves so much better than us should ask themselves whether they need to push us down so they can feel taller.
Remember, if you lack the skill to play well, just toot your horn louder!
The reality? Economically we are quite significant. Politically less so. Culturally, we remain a young nation. Militarily - significant only during specific time periods. Do we deserve to be in Civ 3? No more than the US, but no less than the Iroquois. So why not?
As for a UU, may I suggest an upgraded destroyer?
Mounties don't have any representable skills. As for PKs, yes, we have a very good peacekeeping rep, but it's not for our fighting prowess. it's for our diplomacy and the fact that we seem less belligerent, and seem to have less vested interest, thus we seem more impartial than our neighbouring "world policeman" to the south, or even our "friendly father" across the sea. We appear carry less baggage. We may not, but the image counts. Lester would agree. We have long be nuke capable, but why bother? it's costly and would damage our 'peaceful' image. besides uncle sam's got plenty to go around.
The destroyer is better because of how important it was to the war effort in WW1 and 2. Americans often say they won the war for GB, but Cdns were the ones who kept the Brits alive long enough for the Yanks to finally decide to join in. (the french and other europeans also played a big role - delaying the german push and actively resisting. kudos especially to the 9 norwegians who sacrificed so much to stop the german atomic program by sabotaging the heavy water plant at Vemork. the russians played a big part too, though in 1 they quit cuz of revolution and in 2 Stalin had a N.A.P. til 41. 'nuff said.)
How about increasing its movement and defense value. They were invaluable for convoys getting arms & supplies to Britain.
Hmm, increase attack too, since you've got to sink Uboats. No bombard increase though - it wasn't a battleship.
(today's new frigates are the fastest combat ships out there, plus everything is done by missile/anti-missile now so they easily outrange yesteryear's battleships - *obviously no ship can outrun a missile)
Admittedly the current state of our military leaves much to be desired but WW1 and 2 proves Canada can be a forced to be reckoned with when it's fully mobilized. UK beware, we won't automatically jump to it next time. There's too many of us non-Anglos here now.
Commercial and Industrious would be my preference. Americans were more expansionistic in the sense that they settled the land faster. We just explored it. (course, we weren't a nation til 1867)
Industrious because that's the type of people who immigrated here and continue to today. those looking for a new home to make a better life than the one they left behind - starting from scratch you'd better be industrious!
Commercial because trading companies sponsored the first explorers, expeditions, and outposts. can you say export?
Caveat, I usually play with unique attribs turned off. I like a level playing field.
Right on
Comment