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Originally posted by srlumpy
Canadians kind of deserve a mark on civ3... but not really. Let's ne honest, they were a minor scratch to the fledgling USA and perhaps if they remember that they were or are still mostly british. they still are a mere colony or they call it a confederacy. None-the-less... if some clown is going to make a civ resembling the borg... why not canadians
hmm, the CF-18...
sounds like the F-18...
very intresting
You show the usual lack of knowledge about our country that we've come expect from your country. First of all, we have much more in common with Americans culturally than we do with British, and have for quite some time. We eat the same foods, we watch the same TV shows, we listen to the same music etc. etc. We don't have tea and crumpets, we don't play cricket, we don't even speak with an accent. Aside from those in Quebec of course.
Secondally, we are not a colony, we are an autonomous state and have been since 1867. We elect our own leaders, we make our own laws etc. etc. The only role the British have in our affairs is strictly ceremonial, a nostalgic reminder of our roots, which some of us would be more than happy to let go of.
I didn't read all the thread yet (sorry )
But i would personally love to have a Canadian civilization in the game!
I think is much better than the Iroquois!!
I hope you will use the mountie as UU! That is the specific unit the Canadian are famous all around the world!
And most of all i like the idea of a Defensive cavalry, and it would perfectly fit in a Civilization of pacifist people like the Canadian
Canada civilization
Good job guys!
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Aaw, ****! The secret's out. We have sea cities!!!!!!
Waiting on a Sunday afternoon, for what I read between the lines, your lies. Feelin' like a hand in rusted shame, so do you laugh or does it cry, reply?
It's a minor technicality, but untill 1982, our constitution act allowed the British parliment to pass law here. But thats beside the point. I think a Canadian civilization would be great, regardless of wether we qualify as a "civilization" or not. It's a game, for heavens sake, it's meant to amuse, not educute and reach historical perfection (although Civ III provides a lot of information on units, buildings and the like...which I think is great). As for a UU, I think it should be the Mountie...maybe a modern one? By that, I don't mean a squad car parked outside Tim Hortens (just kidding of course). But maybe a unit like infantry thats higher on defense. I also think Sir John A. MacDonald should be the leader, but that'd be a lot more difficult...and I'm not particularly fond of him. But just so long as it isn't Cretian, I'd be happy.
While I may personally not feel Canada is necessarily civ-worthy, there're worse choices, and although the game is already incredibly Euro-or-Eurodescended-centric, what's the harm of letting anyone use the mod they want, it's not like anyone's going to be forced to play as or against the Canadians.
I like the idea of the Mountie UU just because of how cool the unit'd look
Hehe, glad you like it. Most people misunderstand it and make assumptions I'd rather they not make...
What do you mean by "not civ-worthy"? I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm actually curious.
And something I meant to mention in my previous post, I think Canada should be Expansionistic and Industrious. We still rely heavily on primary (mining, harvesting, lumbering) and secondary (processing, canning) industries. But I'm not very fond of Expansionistic. I think Expansionistc civ's should get the same corruption benifit that Commercial civilizations get, to offset the natural suckness of Expansionist. It makes sense, too, since a civilization that expands a lot would be good at coping with problems like corruption.
I agree with Bi-Polar Bear with looking at Sir John MacDonald s a Canadian leader. Canadian history is filled with movements and fears that the country was going to split apart: the distance and lack of access, and poor representation in parliament of the western provinces nearly caused the country to split, the metis revolt in what is now Manitoba, and the Parti Quebecois are but a few examples of this tension. Some of these issues still come up to this day. But I doubt Canada would be what it is today without John MacDonald. Canada would probably be a collection of smaller nations and/or U.S. states without the passage of the Constitution Act in 1867. MacDonald would be an effective symbol of Canadian unity. How you find happy, neutral, and angry pics of John MacDonald is beyond me, though.
Possible UU could be some form of sonar-equipped boat (a Canadian invention) or an Alpine Mountie. The Mounties greatest moment was probably when they maintained and aided prospectors to the Yukon, maybe something could be made of that.
Whether Canada is a worthwhile Civ is a pointless argument, I know if there wasn't an American civilization in Civ3, I'd be looking for the mod, why can't others? Speaking of which, my knowledge of Canada isn't too shabby for a kid from Kansas City, eh?
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Slight additions - Canada was created as a separate country under the British North America Act in 1867 (changed to the Constitution Act in 1982) , and the first separatist party elected was in Nova Scotia just after Confederation (Joseph Howe, I believe) so the tension has been around a fairly long time even without going back to the French/English issue.
I still like the 'Ladies from Hell' as the UU. P.S. There's a movie about one of the Canadian kilted brigades who were joined with an American unit. It's called The Devil's Brigade, I believe. It was based on a true story about a joint unit trained in Montana (IIRC)- and I think they were involved at Monte Casino(?).
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Originally posted by Cairo_East
... and poor representation in parliament of the western provinces nearly caused the country to split, the metis revolt in what is now Manitoba, and
I admire a Yank who knows something of our history. However you need a slight correction here. The Metis revolt happened before Manitoba was part of Canada. In fact, it was because of the revolts that Manitoba was established. Before then the area was still technically British.
Sorry about confusing the BNA Act and the Constitution Act. I have a problem with remembering both the name of the act and what it did. I always confuse the Compromise of 1820 and the Compromise of 1850 here in the USA, when they deal with two completely different things.
I know the Metis revolt occurred prior to the creation of Manitoba, that's why I said "in what is now Manitoba". Admittedly it was a part of Britain, but the revolt had a larger impact on Canadian history than British history. Semantics and technicalities, I apologize.
How about Pelletier and Sale being co-rulers of Canada? I've seen enough happy, indifferent, and angery pictures of them in the past few days to make a collage of MODs.
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Screams a drooping lady,
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Originally posted by Cairo_East
Sorry about confusing the BNA Act and the Constitution Act. I have a problem with remembering both the name of the act and what it did. I always confuse the Compromise of 1820 and the Compromise of 1850 here in the USA, when they deal with two completely different things.
Hey, no need to apologize, you're doing extremely well. You're talking about things that even I'm hazy about. It's been quite awhile since high school history. We've come to expect that Americans know nothing about our country, so it's a pleasant surprise when one of you does. It wouldn't surprise me if some of your countrymen/women still think we live in igloos, and get around by dog sled. So cheers neighbour!
It wouldn't surprise me if some of your countrymen/women still think we live in igloos, and get around by dog sled. So cheers neighbour!
I have a good footnote to that: One of the professors in my department is from Ontario (I'm at Penn State University). He had a former student who was living in Atlanta that called him up and asked him about polar bears. He assumed that since he was Canadian, he was an expert on all thing polar.
I actually gained a lot of my knowledge a few semesters back when I did a research project on the black migration from Oklahoma to Alberta around the year 1905. I realized I only had a cursory understanding of Canadian history, and just did a bit of historical research on Canada. The great thing is that I was the only student to get an "A" on the paper.
"'It's the last great adventure left to mankind'
Screams a drooping lady,
offering her dreamdolls at less than extortionate prices."
-"The Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging" (Genesis 1974)
I have a good footnote to that: One of the professors in my department is from Ontario (I'm at Penn State University). He had a former student who was living in Atlanta that called him up and asked him about polar bears. He assumed that since he was Canadian, he was an expert on all thing polar.
I actually gained a lot of my knowledge a few semesters back when I did a research project on the black migration from Oklahoma to Alberta around the year 1905. I realized I only had a cursory understanding of Canadian history, and just did a bit of historical research on Canada. The great thing is that I was the only student to get an "A" on the paper.
We have an occasional comedy special where this guy will go down to the States and bait Americans with really absurd questions about Canada, and it's sometimes hilarious to hear what they fall for. One time he was at a Bush campaign rally, before he was president, and Bush didn't even know who our Prime Minister was, nor did the Governor of Minnesota. He had them convinced it was Prime Minister Poutine, which is a Quebecois food dish. It was really pathetic, especially coming from the Governor of Minnesota. We're practically next door neighbours for crying out loud! And it certainly didn't inspire any confidence in Bush at the time, that's for sure.
I think if it wasn't for Sept. 11, our governments would have been at each other's throats by now. We certainly weren't to crazy about the idea of Bush becoming President. I'm sure there were many Canadian politicians who were sorry to see Clinton go, especially when Bush started cancelling treaty after treaty.
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