MAP: Improved Huge Map of Earth

[Panag]

Re: Aluminium in Sweden???

Originally posted by lindberg-johan
Why has somebody replaced then iron with aluminium in Sweden???
Sweden has got one aluminium factory, that factory is in Sundsvall (approximately at the barbarian camp by the east coast of Sweden). That factory only uses imported bauxite. There is no natural resource of aluminium in Sweden.

Someone must have replaced the iron placed in Sweden on my request with aluminium. This is a very strange idea, and I recommend you to take the iron back, because of Sweden's rich quantities of iron. During Word War II Sweden sold (was forced to sell) iron to Germany, and because of this, Germany never occupied Sweden. If they had done that, the allied would have bombed the Swedish iron mines, and Germany had been without iron (which would have been just great for me).
I see there is iron in the north of Scandinavia (actually in Norway). If you moved this about three or four tiles southwards, and removed the aluminium (or perhaps replaced it with iron) in central Sweden, I would be glad.

Thanks a lot for a great map.

/Johan of Värmland, Sweden

yes there is a lot of aluminium in Sweden , i ts however not always profitable to open a mine , the best way to get it , and most sources in Sweden are like this , with an open mine , however , about a decade ago the parlement gave a no vote , and i guess they are right , why , the landscape would alter , to much , you can check on the geo department , from Sweden .


have a nice day

[The Dark Lord]

Bumpification of this wonderful map

[narmox]

With the arrival of 1.29.. IT is not possible to set correct starting locations!

So here it is, my own version of satya's map 6.25, with correct locations and default rules (I didn't like the rules changes )

[Jon Shafer]

Hehe. I remember that this was the first thread I ever came and saw at Apolyton. I came over from Infogrames after hearing about 'some map', and ended up reading the entire thread for 2 hours while I should have been in one of my classes.

[narmox]

Science

Hmm.. After playtesting a little with 1.29, and even after removing all goody huts. Playing at Regent.

Most civs still enter the Middle Ages before 0 AD.

With all the goody huts, it was in ~600 BC.

Removed half the goody huts, it was in ~ 300 BC

Removed all goody huts (except 2 I forgot near China/India, and a few bonus ones in Australia, Siberia, Argentina, Western Africa, and the "barbarian islands" <- the islands that are fully covered by barb units once you get ships). Ok, normally I have nothing against goody huts, but with such a big land, and a huge number of civilzations who enter contact very early, I feel like hte goody huts make things go way too fast. That and the insane tech exchange between the AI civs...

China (me) and Germany reached the middle ages in 310 BC, and the other civs weren't far behind!

I don't know how it is for other difficulty levels, or if other people have a problem with that.. But I believe it should be much later than 300 BC. Like 400 AD _at least_.

So I guess I'll experiment with science rate... And that I'll keep a low goody huts count (and mostly in inaccessible areas) so as not to disturb that...

[Deathwalker]

Is there any more plans to further update this map.
As I thinks it's much better than Marla's one

[aleccipk]

Playtest results and suggestions

Using Satya World Map 6.21, level Monarch, I started in Northwest France where I spread over Western Europe without a war. Around the year 1000 I discovered refining and replacable parts, so I sent about 8 Samuari to displace the weak civilization inhabiting Nigeria, and set up a Forbidden City. From then on I had all resources. My rivals were located in China and the Eastern United States. I had a semi-rival in the Middle East. At no time did we ever go to war. I got pulled into a brief spat with my pathetic Muscovite Neighbor during the space race and took his Scandanavian oil before I won in the 14th century.

Okay, I loved the geography and the barbarian camps, but there were playability problems with resource allocation and starting positions. Here are my suggestions:
1. Get rid of the civilization and resources in Austraila. The first thing agreed on in this board was that no one was going to start in Oceania, but something went wrong apparently...
2. Major ancient civilizations need Iron to survive and expand their empire, nothing else. Major ancient civilzations to me are Rome, Greece, North Africa, Mesopotamia, Persia, India, Egypt, China, and maybe Mexico, Peru, and the Mississippi Valley. Give the old world all one easy iron and no more than that, so if the iron gets used up, the civilization might fall. I'm not too sure about the New World: playability seems to demand giving them iron, possibly far off from their starting position, in the South Andes, the Sierra Nevada, and the NE Appalacians, so that it can take them a while to get iron.
3. In NE Central Asia, we need a civ that has no iron but a lot of horses (The central asian horseman Mongol/Turk/Hun). They will harrass China hopefully, and Europe later as they expand.
4. Now, we need 4 civ's who nearly monopolize one of the luxuries, but have no iron. Lets spread out the rest of the luxuries, so that there is plenty of room for colonization. I'd say there needs to be a civ in South and West Africa, one in the SouthEast Asian Jungles, and maybe one in the New World.
5. Modern resources were placed fine, I think. It might be better to place Uranium in more remote spots, though.
6. Good resources might also be placed in Canaan and Bactria because they'll make good battlegrounds.

Anyways, if anyone knows of any maps that are closer along these lines (where the ancient age map does not look the same as 20th century Earth), please let me know. Good resource placement should help develop ancient age wars, and good luxury placement should help overseas colonization. The United States and Australia should not be fetishes that get in the way of making a good map. We are better off getting things to move towards the 15th century world map, or 3rd century BC world map, because that would be more interesting.

[David Floyd]

OK, nice map, but for some reason when I play I seem to be by myself except for insane numbers of barbarians.

[Panag]

Originally posted by David Floyd
OK, nice map, but for some reason when I play I seem to be by myself except for insane numbers of barbarians.

hi ,

take a look at the map true the editor , you shall see why , .....

actually its good to have barbs , you are allways on alert and you get elite units , ....

have a nice day

[David Floyd]

I don't care about the barbs, I care about not having any opponents.

[Panag]

Originally posted by David Floyd
I don't care about the barbs, I care about not having any opponents.

hi ,

then go in the editor and make a map with all 15 opponents , ......

or start a new game with 16 on a 256X256 map , ...

have a nice day

[warlon]

I think that the map is balanced enough for all civilizations as it is. Only problem seems to be now that the civilizations advance too quickly through the ages...

[Panag]

Originally posted by warlon
I think that the map is balanced enough for all civilizations as it is. Only problem seems to be now that the civilizations advance too quickly through the ages...

hi ,

take a look at the editor, you can either make it faster , or slower , ...

and you can always unflag "fast growth" , ...

have a nice day

[warlon]

hehe I know that but still if I think that we could improve on this map without editing research timer...
Although when I stopped at 6.25 (announcing that the map was so realistic with what I could make it) I thought it was fine. But now thinking of it there might be too much research overall and trading of research?

[Panag]

Originally posted by warlon
hehe I know that but still if I think that we could improve on this map without editing research timer...
Although when I stopped at 6.25 (announcing that the map was so realistic with what I could make it) I thought it was fine. But now thinking of it there might be too much research overall and trading of research?

hi ,

why dont you make a patch , or update it ?

and you can build starting places (cities) while you are at it , .....

have a nice day