Great War (WWI) scenario?

[jsw363]

Originally posted by Big Crunch
Also I don't think France and Serbia were alligned. IIRC Austo-Hungary put pressure on Serbia, and the Russians alligned themselves to protect Serbia. When Germany got involved by supporting Austria-Hungary the French were called upon by the Russians. Britain got involved "officially" due to a pact with Belgium, but there were other obvious reasons to get involved.

I concur, IIRC Russia had this whole notion of Pan-Slavism that dictated that they protect their fellow slavs living under Hapsburg rule. Serbia was an independent country, but many in Serbia wanted to create a Yugoslavia (Greater Slav State) by incorporating Hapsburg lands.

I would list the players as follows:

Germany
France
Britain
Russia
Austria-Hungary
Ottoman Empire

The other two spaces I would most likely reserve for Serbia and Belgium because of the important roles that they played in the war. I don't know how you would classify other states if you started in 1914, but if you limit it to eight players it would be difficult.

[Dr. Nick]

They were still Turks, Ottoman or not!

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by El Awrence
They were still Turks, Ottoman or not!

But they didn't call them selves Turks before
the Young Turks Revoltution. Or was it even
after 1927? Anyway: touché!

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by jsw363

I would list the players as follows:

Germany
France
Britain
Russia
Austria-Hungary
Ottoman Empire

And let's just not forget Victor Emmanuel III and
his Italians from that list.

[Rasbelin]

Oh, forgot Greece.

[Pseud0nym]

Seems all good to me. The only input I have here is that you should somehow put mustard gas into the scenario. I 'm not sure exactly how that would be accomplished, but it definately needs to be in there.

[Immortal Wombat]

The Triple Alliance:
Germany
Austria-Hungary
Italy

The Triple Entente:
Russia
France
Britain

Wildcards:
Ottoman empire
Greece
The Balkans
USA

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
The Triple Alliance:
Germany
Austria-Hungary
Italy

Italian SA would be the ability to switch allegiances, at will, with no political consequences.

[Mongoloid Cow]

The sides might be:

1) German Empire
2) Austrian-Hungarian Empire
3) Russian Empire
4) British Empire
5) French Empire
6) Ottoman Empire (UU Janissaries - not sure if they were illegal or not yet)

and others could include:
7) Italian Empire
8) Serbia
9) Bulgaria
10) Romania
11) Belgium
12) Sweden
13) Greece
14) Netherlands
15) Some civ to be all neutral nations (Denmark, Switzerland, etc)
16) America (way off in the Atlantic and can only get involved in doing anything if specific events happen)

[Faboba]

You'e right. It was Russia was allied with Serbia and France with Russia ( I can never remember which one joined the war first... )

Serbia was not ( afaik cause it would make no sense ) part of Austro-Hungary because it was between those two bodies the war started.

A serbian terrorist group ( the black hand ) assasinated the Austrian Crown Prince ( Ferdinand? ). Austria was calm and level headed about this, and immediately declared war on the whole of Serbia for the actions of one group ( cough. America. cough. Afganistan ).

Russia stepped in for Serbia which obviously couldn't defend it'self against such a vast enemy and France and Germany, one bitter about the Franco-Prussian war, can't remember which, jumped in two, France for it's Ally Russia and Germany for it's Austria. Britain joined in with France and Russia because it had recently signed alliances with them and it was pissed with Germany ( a recently formed 'upstart' nation ) rapidly building it's own navy to rival the Empire's ( or what remained of it. )

Which is the funny thing about WW1. There were no 'bad guys'. I suppose 'The Black Hand'. And as WW2 came as a direct result to the horrendos things we did to Germany after WW1 then really terrorism has been to blame for the two greatest conflicts the world has ever seen ( at least in modern times ).

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Faboba
Serbia was not ( afaik cause it would make no sense ) part of Austro-Hungary because it was between those two bodies the war started.

It was the annexation of B-H by Audtria and the desire for Serbia to create a "Yugoslavia" which included B-H that caused the tiff.

A serbian terrorist group ( the black hand ) assasinated the Austrian Crown Prince ( Ferdinand? ).

Yep. Franz-Ferdinand.

Austria was calm and level headed about this, and immediately declared war on the whole of Serbia for the actions of one group ( cough. America. cough. Afganistan ).

Actually they formulated a list of demands, for everyone to see and to agree with at an international convention. Only after the convention, and the Serbian refusal to only one of the points, did the Austrians declare war.

The assasination was late June, the first declaration of war early August, about the same length of time the US waited for the Afghanistan incident.

Russia stepped in for Serbia which obviously couldn't defend it'self against such a vast enemy and France and Germany, one bitter about the Franco-Prussian war, can't remember which, jumped in two,

"Germany" kicked French hide, annexing A-L after laying siege to Paris in ~1871. It also lead to the formation of Germany as a nation state

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by Mongoloid Cow

6) Ottoman Empire (UU Janissaries - not sure if they were illegal or not yet)

Janissaries didn't excist in the Great War.

BTW, Greece and Italy must be included.
At least the Greeks are vital, if the Ottoman Empire
is in.

[Rasbelin]

I'm still proposing my original list (inc. US)
as civs in the Great War scenario.

[Peter Triggs]

Originally posted by Pseud0nym
Seems all good to me. The only input I have here is that you should somehow put mustard gas into the scenario. I 'm not sure exactly how that would be accomplished, but it definately needs to be in there.

That's a good idea! But I think you'd need a scripting language to do that effectively.

[Dr. Nick]

Technically, Britain declared war on Germany because Germany invaded Belgium.