Civ3 is awesome!

[Solver]

Well, PTW was indeed not a good XP, IMO, but Conquests definitely is. Sure, Civ3 MP has some problems, but it's not an MP game, after all. PBEM is still an excellent way to play.

[Dis]

you can play ctp2 multiplayer?

probably impossible to find people to play though.

[Solver]

Quite on the contrary. When one of CtP2 players wants to play, a post goes into the forum here, and he can easily have a game with several other Apolytoners.

Which is better than Civ3 MP, IMO. I don't mind playing games against strangers in RTS, for instance, but in Civ games, I want to play against people I know. The reason is mainly the skill difference, I guess. I've played Civ3 MP, and I have been into the unpleasant situation of playing against a few guys that are clearly casual players. As they said later, Civ3 was their first Civ game, and they got it recently somewhat, and never played too much. The game wasn't much fun for me, or for them. Or I can get into a game with a Demigod-level player, who won't be having much fun with me either.

[Robert]

Originally posted by Solver
How can you prefer spending 10 minutes each turn moving 100 workers around, or living with them automated, spending 2 minutes just watching them, and not doing the best job at terraforming?

I really see no difference with terraforming.
Having to manage your terraforming for minutes per turn. Just to see that just after you have terraformed all your land you can terraform it to something better soon after that.

It's an awfull lot of micromanagement. And it can't be automated. CtP really sucks if not only for the terraform system.

[Robert]

Originally posted by deity


LOL!! good one

I played Civ3 about 3 times on SP.

Now deleted from my PC... it sux; god aweful game.

Civ 1 and 2 are legendary games!

I suggest the Civ3'ers who haven't played Civ2, do so.

How can you judge any civ-game after you played it only 3 times

[Solver]

I really see no difference with terraforming.
Having to manage your terraforming for minutes per turn. Just to see that just after you have terraformed all your land you can terraform it to something better soon after that.

It's an awfull lot of micromanagement. And it can't be automated. CtP really sucks if not only for the terraform system.

Automation of terrain improvement has always sucked. In CtP, I still spend maybe 20 seconds a turn for my PW, as I know where I want it improved anyway. In Civ3, I can't help but feel extreely bored when my 70 automated workers jump across the map... and again... and again... honestly.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Solver
Well, PTW was indeed not a good XP, IMO, but Conquests definitely is. Sure, Civ3 MP has some problems, but it's not an MP game, after all. PBEM is still an excellent way to play.

Conquests may have some neat features, but the game is bug ridden and broken, which more than makes up for the features it has. The AI plays stupid (although it still beats the AI of the best CtP2 mods with ease), its terrain improvements suck, barbarians are a pushover, since they attack only in one direction while being vulnerable in all others, AI units stumbling into stealth units causes war, strategic resources are way too scarce and what's the worst of all, the game has about as much support as CtP2, meaning practically none. For single playing the game is way worse than PtW. The only sector where it's better is multiplaying without AI.

Civ3 Conquests could have been the best Civ game ever, but unfortunately, it came out the worst. I forgave Firaxis the initial bugs of plain Civ3 and the multiplayer fiasko of PtW, even more since I'm a PBEM player and not much into online MP anyway. But I will never forgive them, that they blew Conquests

[Harovan]

By the way, nice PW vs workers discussion. Public works sucks, it's the main reason why I trash CtP games again and again. Other than that, they are alright.

[Solver]

. The AI plays stupid (although it still beats the AI of the best CtP2 mods with ease)

Ever tried Cradle on the highest difficulty? I have a lot of respect for the Civ3 AI, but it certainly doesn't beat Cradle AI 'with ease'. It might be better overall in the sense it will take you out in a more focused manner, but few people can beat Cradle AI.

By the way, nice PW vs workers discussion. Public works sucks, it's the main reason why I trash CtP games again and again. Other than that, they are alright.

And yet you just say that PW suck, and fail to bring any reasonable arguments .

[Harovan]

You can't back the attribute "sucks" with reasonable arguments. It generally stands for "I don't like it", "it annoys me" or "I find it boring" and is a matter of personal preference. You like PW, fine, more power to you. If others don't like it, you should respect their opinion too, and take your crusade to a place, where the sun doesn't shine.

[Harovan]

As for Cradle, no I didn't try it Impossible. I tried it King, and it sucked. I trashed it, after I saw, that I can chase a stack of three healthy barbarians with one deadly wounded slinger over the whole continent. I never tried it again, and won't. I have enough with one blown game (Conquests) and don't need yet more.

[Robert]

Conquests is accepted as the best civ3 version by about all civ3 players. I think C3C is a very good game and I don't understand your problems with it.

And ready with your PW within 20 seconds?
I don't know how small your empire usually is.....
I was always busy clicking all over the map on CtP placing PW all the time.
And with civ3 conquests you can turn off automatic moves so you don't see the workers move.

It works perfectly.

[Harovan]

I don't like a game just because it's widely accepted by "about all others". I like a game if I consider the time I invest in it well spent. This is not the case with Conquests. If you, or "all others" for that matter, are satisfied with the Conquests AI as it is, fine with me. I am not, by far.

[Robert]

Of course "Widely acceptance" is not a reason to love something yourself.
But I said that because I wonder how it's possible that you concider Conquests to be that broken while everybody sees it as the ultimate civ3 version...

[Harovan]

I already mentioned some of the multiple reasons. And that are by far not all. I didn't even mention the army misery, which is another biggie. And the worst of all is, that the support for the game has practically stopped in favor of milking yet more money out of the game. They won't fool me another time.