Conquest: Playing through our history...

[Proserpine]

Originally posted by Tolwyn
Just started playing the conquests.(Monarch level)

Mesopotamia:
civ: Sumeria
Victory: Point limit reached after aggressive REX which wiped out Babylon and 4 wonders build.


Rise of Rome:
civ: Romans
Victory: Domination after succesfully defeated Carthage,Celts and Egypt.

comments: An easy scenario to play as Romans as to win you don't have to fight persia or even Macedonia. Get your Citizens out to settle all of Europe,England and north Africa. However you should conquer Carthage asap because if they get their production of war elephants up you're gonna have one hell of a fight on your hands.
Another tip: The only wonder worthwile imho is the temple of artemis. Let Rome build it in the golden age you're gonna have very fast and let the other cities produce units...units and even more units!

Carthage never produces enough elephants. Anyway, legions (II or III) can take them at least 9 times out of 10.

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Tolwyn

Another tip: The only wonder worthwile imho is the temple of artemis.

Hadrians wall is awful darn nice as well.

These two in combo (Hadrians and Temple of Artemis) mean as soon as you settle or capture a city it has walls and a temple.

Those two in combo are pretty powerfull.

[Proserpine]

Originally posted by conmcb25


Hadrians wall is awful darn nice as well.

These two in combo (Hadrians and Temple of Artemis) mean as soon as you settle or capture a city it has walls and a temple.

Those two in combo are pretty powerfull.

Agreed, they are indeed. Except, of course neither work on Islands (only on the landmass where they are built), so make sure you build them on the mainland (and not in Sicily for example).

[joncnunn]

The Temple of Artemis is probably great for reducing time needed to reach domination victory (that is if you don't reach a score victory earlier) from founding new cities in vacent land + geting culture in cities that the former owner didn't build a Temple in.

The funny thing is that these wonders built in Italy will work in North Africa.

[gunkulator]

Since this is turning into a Rise of Rome thread...

When do you change gov'ts (assuming you do)? Oligarchy is not all that bad to start with. Monarchy is readily available and has the advantage of paid labor but has higher corruption. Republic is even better but it takes a while to get there. Does anyone bother with (I think it's called) Imperialism?

[joncnunn]

Oops, I must have hit reply instead of edit.

[Proserpine]

Originally posted by gunkulator
Since this is turning into a Rise of Rome thread...

When do you change gov'ts (assuming you do)? Oligarchy is not all that bad to start with. Monarchy is readily available and has the advantage of paid labor but has higher corruption. Republic is even better but it takes a while to get there. Does anyone bother with (I think it's called) Imperialism?

Olly is fine but I change to imperialism as soon as its discovered to take advantage of cash rushing in the late game. I time discovery of Philosophy so that Imp. is the free tech.

[conmcb25]

I dont bother to switch till I get Imperialism either.

Use the Oligarchy time to do some pop rushing, pop growth isn't that much of an issue as Rome in this scenario anyway. Theres even a nice woker/ settler pump up north.

[joncnunn]

(Rise of Rome)

Don't switch to Monarchy, the increased corruption isn't worth it.

As to should I switch to Republic or should I wait and switch to Imperlism, that's much tougher and depends upon your VP score, land area, and population.

If your playing Persia you can switch to both with little penalty as you discover them, but as the other civs you probably don't want to switch govts two times.

So the moment you reach Republic, certain calculations need done:

1. How many turns would it take me to reach Imperalism? (Assuming I don't switch to Republic)

2. How close am I to winning the game?
2A. Via score limit.
2B. Via domination limit.

If it won't take long to reach #1 but #2 is a long way's off, wait for Imperalism and switch.

But if you project the game to end only a few turns after reseraching Imperalism (and switching and coming out of anarchy), switch to Republic now and don't bother to switch to Imperalism if the trade bonsus is worth more than any increased unit support cost in Republic compared to Oligarchy in that conquest.

[Tolwyn]

Originally posted by conmcb25


Hadrians wall is awful darn nice as well.

These two in combo (Hadrians and Temple of Artemis) mean as soon as you settle or capture a city it has walls and a temple.

Those two in combo are pretty powerfull.

True indeed, however in my game I was so dominant on the military side of things that walls didn't matter. So I build units, units and even more units.

[conmcb25]

That will work as well Tolwyn, however it sure helps in REX to send out a garrison and a settler and know when it plops down a city that garrison already has walls. That enables you to focas your offensive units on offensive operations vice babysitting settlers.


Either approach will work

[gunkulator]

Hadrian's Wall seems kinda pointless for Rome. They're militaristic so walls are only 10 shields anyway. It sure takes a lot of new cities make back that investment. I build it anyway just so that the Persians don't get it.

Settling as Rome takes a bit of planning since your citizens move 2 but garrisons only move 1.

I assume everyone takes Sicily first, followed by Corsica and Sardina. What next? On to Carthage or beat up the Celts?

[joncnunn]

I usally don't escort settlers. Their usally only going three, four, or five tiles from the nearest town before founding one, for a distance further away I already have a military unit fortified in place where I want the next city before it's built.

Well, I think everyone secures Silicy first, but some skip Corsica and Sardina and head directly to Carthage (The McArthur gambit) and sack it next followed by elimating the rest of Carthage civ while others take Silicy, then Corsica, next Sardina, and next Carthage.

It's generally best to avoid a two front war, so I highly recomend knocking out the Carthage civ before taking out the Celts.

Originally posted by gunkulator
Hadrian's Wall seems kinda pointless for Rome. They're militaristic so walls are only 10 shields anyway. It sure takes a lot of new cities make back that investment. I build it anyway just so that the Persians don't get it.

Settling as Rome takes a bit of planning since your citizens move 2 but garrisons only move 1.

I assume everyone takes Sicily first, followed by Corsica and Sardina. What next? On to Carthage or beat up the Celts?

[conmcb25]

I agree on avoiding two front wars.

But if Cathage is beat down enough to essentially be a "mop up operation" then you can go after the Celts. I have done that before.

[conmcb25]

There are now TWO PBEM's of the Rise of Rome Scenario going on, it should be interesting to see how these turn out in PBEM.