Trespass issues

[Jaybe]

On the Fort/Barricade semantics issue:
To me the Barricade represents a moat/dragons teeth (anti-tank obstacles)/minefield. Since they are only a delay, they are not effective unless they are covered by fields of fire. Therefore requiring a Fort is reasonable -- though it would be even better if the Fort came with its own at-least-minimal garrison.

[vmxa1]

Is the pix a bmp? Convert it to jpeg if so and it will be small enough to post. I resize to 800 resolution and save as jpeg and have no problems.

[Jaybe]

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[Mad Bomber]

OK Folks I finally figured how to get the Screenies to work


Here is an example of how Barricades can be useful:

I am on a Continent which I control approx 50% of . Resources are aplenty but its quite spartan when it comes to luxuries. The Celts have Beaten me to spices, but their borders haven't expanded so I land on the one spice not covered by the celt border and hope for the best. Time passes and I eek out a second city, wishing to expand N-E, but this was not to be. I find out that the Celts are at war with the Hittites and are infiltrating to the north with significant amount of troops. I place two musketmen in their way and intend to build a fort to stop this transgression.

[Mad Bomber]

Its now 100 years later, my boders have expanded and my goals have become quite clear: to protect the spice fields at all costs, I have completed a fortress to the east of New Albuquerque and am starting one just south of the same city. Both will eventually become barricades which will prevent a one turn attack on the city. Meanwhile the celts are getting a little froggy.

[Mad Bomber]

Its now 50 years later and the Celts have attacked. They picked off my lone worker north of New Buffalo and sent a SOD into the tile SE of New Alburquerque. The SOD was counterattacked with knights, MIE's and muskets. Only the single Knight survived (of a force over 20) Reinforcemets are due to land soon including some much needed artilley units (trebuchets to be exact)

[ChrisiusMaximus]

I try to get Knights Templar wonder as all those free crusaders are great for fort building, which saves tieing up your workers as much.

I usually get about 15 to 20 crusaders from an average game, and if you have lots of borders to barricade they can really be an asset. Follow them around with some workers to build roads and the barricades themselves.

I usually keep the crusaders right into the modern age until I dont think Ill need any more forts building

[planetfall]

Mad Bomber,

Interesting. Guess this is why we look at strategies. We all have different styles.

Comments:
1. GIF file types are usually clearer than JPG files for images.

2. The barriade stategy might be an effective way to get the AI to declare war where you want the happiness boast from selfdefense.

3. Interesting that you were attacked when only 2/4 of defending tiles were barricaded. Thus the cost of baiting AI into war is lower as it is not necessary to complete full barricade system.

4. Why are barricades such a war trigger? Aren't they only a 25% defensive boast?

5. Please explain your strategy.
WestContinent: america, i.e. you; 3 other nations
East Continent: you with 2 cities, and 7 other nations.
Why going for EastC, more challenging?

6. For 490AD, you have democracy and large empire. What level are you playing at?

7. How did you get so much $CASH????? And now that you have it, why aren't you investing it????


Questions:
Strat Q#1-- why get spice at current location vs going straight North with shorter supply lines than going North East?
Strat Q#2-- why go to EastC where you are outnumbered 7:1 vs staying on WestC where you are 1:5 and don't need to build as much Navy?
Strat Q#3-- if you want to expand, what is preventing you from making a military alliance with your WestC nations vs purple?'
Strat Q#4-- if going to EastC, why not military alliance vs orange with short supply lines? What is gained by longer supply lines to spices?
Strat Q#5-- why aren't you building barricades by purple to incite them to attack you for happiness boast?


That's enough for now.

== PF

[lard]

Ah, this is great stuff - just what I needed to understand this a little better. Much appreciated.

My next game will definitely include fortresses/barricades and possibly the Knights Templar (good point that).

[planetfall]

Hey, it works

A line on new continent making 2 sides of a square does nothing. BUT start building 2 fortresses and immediate war.

Ah shucks.

PF

[DrSpike]

Nice.........another way to trigger war when you want it.

[tj1974]

I agree

The AI takes the mickey a bit when it comes to trespass - you ask them to leave and they ignore you, yet when you are asked to leave their territory if you don't move you get booted

Life is sooooooooooo unfair!

Seriously, though, the barricade method is the only way to resolve this...

/relurk

[AngelRider]

Originally posted by anarchie
isthmus: Narrow part of the breast of a fish that projects forward between the gill chambers.

And uh, only one i. 'isthmi'. Teach thyself. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin...try%3D%2325085

Correct definition and spelling - although isthmuses is also acceptable!

[CommandoAndy]

Here's something I like to do that's kind of funny.

It's when I have a large amount of territory with a bunch of AI civs on one side, and choke point on the other, and beyond the choke point is a lot of unsetteled land. The AI will start to send a bunch of escorted settlers strolling across my territory heading for the choke point, and just before they get there, I seal it off with one of my units

As soon as I do, they all start heading back to where they came from

Then I'll open it back up, and they all do a 180 and start marching toward the vacant land again. Of course, I cut them off again and repeat the whole process. It's just a fun little dance we do to pass the time.

[Mad Bomber]

Originally posted by planetfall
Mad Bomber,

Interesting. Guess this is why we look at strategies. We all have different styles.

Comments:
1. GIF file types are usually clearer than JPG files for images.

OK, I'll try to remember that next time.

2. The barriade stategy might be an effective way to get the AI to declare war where you want the happiness boast from selfdefense.


3. Interesting that you were attacked when only 2/4 of defending tiles were barricaded. Thus the cost of baiting AI into war is lower as it is not necessary to complete full barricade system.

Could be, but now that I think about it, A lot of the aggressiveness must have come from my culture bombard of the Celtic city as well as the fact that they were at war with the Hittites who I was trying to protect (light blue to the North)

4. Why are barricades such a war trigger? Aren't they only a 25% defensive boast?

A lot of troops even without a barricade system seems to intimidate the AI, the Barricades are just there to make sure you can get the first shot if they attack.

5. Please explain your strategy.
WestContinent: america, i.e. you; 3 other nations
East Continent: you with 2 cities, and 7 other nations.
Why going for EastC, more challenging?

No. I am in the process of controlling my continent, but I need the spices to control WW (my continent only has 3 and I am playing a load of money, tech, and resources in trading for luxuries. I saw this open spot and made a play for it if it was not for the barricades I probably would have been kicked back into the ocean before reinforcements had arrived.

6. For 490AD, you have democracy and large empire. What level are you playing at?

Regent with AP on (Conquest only game)

7. How did you get so much $CASH????? And now that you have it, why aren't you investing it????

Cash isn't that difficult to aquire on Regent. I basically have three cores set up that have most or all city improvements (available in the Middle ages) which makes quite a bit of cash and research. I could spend more, and will if I have to, but with a good tech lead (3 over the next CIV) why bother? It could be more but I set up the Bleepin FP too far away from my core and then mobved the palace As a result my cas inflow dropped from nearly 800gpt to a little over 300 gpt. I am also selling off non essential tech and outdated resources as well (and essential tech and valuable resources to my allies)

Questions:
Strat Q#1-- why get spice at current location vs going straight North with shorter supply lines than going North East?

I wanted those COWS. In the end its not relevent wether I had built the second city North or North East the only real objective was to retain the spices and to make sure I have a toe hold to put more forces onto the continent

Strat Q#2-- why go to EastC where you are outnumbered 7:1 vs staying on WestC where you are 1:5 and don't need to build as much Navy?

It became quite clear once I had scouted the continent that it would be necessary to aquire more luxuries so I had built up a considerable navy.

Strat Q#3-- if you want to expand, what is preventing you from making a military alliance with your WestC nations vs purple?'

Right now I have an Alliance with the purple (either India or Iroqouis) , but in time they got their due.

Strat Q#4-- if going to EastC, why not military alliance vs orange with short supply lines? What is gained by longer supply lines to spices?

The Netherlands were also one of my allies, and were helping me to control; the Spanish (along with the Hittites but then the Celts declared war and the world got real dirty, real quick like.

Strat Q#5-- why aren't you building barricades by purple to incite them to attack you for happiness boast?

I did, but I felt that the celtic adventure would be a better example of the use of barricades.

That's enough for now.
== PF

Here is the final Screen shot of the Celtic adventure:
In this final shot I have captured the celtic city and am awaiting approx 50 reinforcements due in the next couple of turns. Some future work on the defensive works remain, but I would start to end teh defensive phase of this war shortly and begin an offensive aimed at the heart of the Celtic core.