FIRAXIS: A list of EASY fixes for the next C3C patch

[Backpack]

Alex - That makes sense about the worker movement points on Auto. - While I would like to see it, it would probably require an entire review of all the code related to auto-settlers - Too Complicated for a quick patch. Thanks.

On the suggestion of airliftable bombardment units. - I forgot to mention that Settlers are not airliftable either. unless there is a dead horse relevent to not making them airliftable, I would like to see that implimented for a standard game as well.

Thanks again for collecing all these posts and putting together a comprehensive - "Please Fix These While You're At it" list.

Kevin

[Inverse Icarus]

not sure how easy it is, but there should be away to defend against "stealth attacks", like when subs pick their target. i mean, if theres a destroyer in the stack, you can SEE the sub approach, so why does it get the advantage of picking off the carrier / transport?

[korn469]

alexman

are you updating the list?

[alexman]

Yes, I try to add things that are easy, well-defined solutions to commonly accepted problems.

[korn469]

alexman,

URGENT KILLER-BUG FIXES (EVEN IF NOT SO EASY TO FIX):

sounds great

Gamebalance Issues
I agree with the changes you propose to walls, though I don't think it would solve the bombardment problem. Plus I don't think it is an "easy" change.

Also changing seafaring probably isn't an easy change either. Plus it's easy to fix both suicide ships, and the Curraghs problem in the editor.
*Make sea and ocean cost 2 movement
*Make galleys and curraghs wheeled units, and make oceans impassible to wheeled units
*Make Curraghs have a transport capacity of 1 (not tested)

Coastal Fortresses, possibly a good change
Colosseum, again possibly a good change

AI behavior Issues

GS replacing MI, I'm not sure I don't play the standard epic game enough

Removing the offense flag, I don't think it's needed

Not making MPPs with enemies, sounds good

USER INTERFACE ENHANCEMENTS

I agree with all of these

EDITOR ENHANCEMENTS

agree with all of these, though instead of immune to lethal bombard flag, you could add a "lethal stealth attack" flag could do the same thing, and it could possibly be easier to code

two others for editor options

*remove the hardcoding from army movement rates
*removing the hardcoded distinction between scientific and military Great Leaders
*would like the ability to modify the rebase multiplier in the editor (from droid)

also did you miss the civil engineer bug? I think you should add it to this list

[alexman]

What is the civil engineer bug?

Also, how will a "lethal stealth attack" flag prevent air units from killing infantry? I don't follow...

[Stuie]

Re: FIRAXIS: A list of EASY fixes for the next C3C patch

Originally posted by alexman
Increase the happy faces for the Colosseum by 1. This way it becomes a viable alternative to Cathedrals for non-religious civs. Colosseums are probably currently the least-built improvement along with coastal fortresses.

I don't think this is necessarily true anymore given the luxury resource scarcity found in C3C. It may still be low on my build list, but I certainly build them now since I am usually unable to obtain all 8 luxuries. Perhaps a slight cost reduction is in order to bring the [happy faces/shield expenditure] ratio more in line with Cathedrals.

[Jon Miller]

Re: FIRAXIS: A list of EASY fixes for the next C3C patch

Originally posted by alexman
Increase the happy faces for the Colosseum by 1. This way it becomes a viable alternative to Cathedrals for non-religious civs. Colosseums are probably currently the least-built improvement along with coastal fortresses.

why?

this does nto seem like something that is broke

they are not meant to be the same, they are meant to be different with each having it's own advantages (not just the same buildign twice)

Jon Miller

[alexman]

Originally posted by korn469
Also changing seafaring probably isn't an easy change either. Plus it's easy to fix both suicide ships, and the Curraghs problem in the editor.
*Make sea and ocean cost 2 movement
*Make galleys and curraghs wheeled units, and make oceans impassible to wheeled units
*Make Curraghs have a transport capacity of 1 (not tested)

I would imagine that the change to the seafaring trait must be very simple: when calculating sinking odds, somewhere there is a check to see whether the unit belongs to a seafaring civ. Just remove that check!

The three changes you suggest are significant departures from the original design, and I'm not sure Firaxis will want to do this in a patch. By the way, I tested giving curraghs a transport capacity and the AI builds them too often (they sit idle in a city waiting to get loaded with units that have not yet been built). Also, Alphabet allowing a naval trasport changes the AI's research priorities big time.

[alexman]

Regarding Cathedrals, perhaps you're right that the luxury scarcity in C3C has made them more useful than they were. I will remove the suggestion as not "commonly accepted".

[Jon Miller]

your suggestion would make cathedrals unuseful for anything but religious civs

lets look at the number

cathedral
160 cost
2 per turn
3 culture
requires tech to the middle ages
requires temple
3 content faces

colloseum
120 cost
2 per turn
2 culture
no prerequisites
early tech
2 content faces

the only advantages the cathedral has is in culture and content faces

in every other way colloseums are better

they cost less, are avaiable earlier, and don't require a prerequisite

Jon Miller

[alexman]

Non-religious civ:

Cathedrals cost 53.3 shields and 0.67 maintenance per happy face.

Colosseums cost 60 shields and 1.0 maintenance per happy face.

How on earth did you convince yourself that colosseums are better?

[Jon Miller]

the tech and prerequisites issue which you have ignored

Jon Miller

[korn469]

alexman

the civil engineering bug is that the shields don't display properly

adding a lethal stealth attack flag, then selecting tanks, modern armor, etc as the only units air units can stealth attack fixing the problem of air units killing infantry

as far as the ease of the sea faring fix, one requires a coder, and one requires 5 minutes in the editor

[Thoth]

Jon: The Cathedral is more cost effective in terms of gold/sheilds per happy face and per culture. Once I get Monotheism, colloseums drop to the bottom of my priority list until very late in the game.