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  • Swiss Mercenary to Musketeer?

    Shouldn't the logical order be Swiss Mercenary->Musketman (Gunpowder) ->Rifleman (Nationalism)?

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    • Pioneer, if you will use the Editor to inspect the upgrade paths of UUs, you will discover most point to another UU, which points to the actual upgrade unit.

      (It's also mentioned here and there in the forums)

      Musketman is little better than Swiss Mercenary in game stats. Obviously a designer decision/choice.

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      • Got it thanks. I just have to go to the editor and adjust it to my liking, I guess.

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        • This is a trick to make Swiss mercs upgrade directly to rifles (as the Dutch cannot build muskets)... you would not be very happy upgrading Swiss mercs to muskets (EDIT: musketeers I mean), or losing the ability to build Swiss mercs right after hooking your first saltpeter.

          EDIT: the trick is used to allow building both Swiss pikes AND muskets at the same time.
          Last edited by vondrack; December 14, 2003, 08:37.

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          • Originally posted by Theseus
            This is not technically a bug, but it IS so absurd that I thought I'd post it... the Inca declare war on me and attack the next turn.

            [I have the save]
            that's quite an interesting army you've got there...
            it's just my opinion. can you dig it?

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            • Minor bug: Using CTRL-SHFT-N and CTRL-SHFT-M to clear the map and set preferences I somehow got it stuck showing mines/colonies/etc even though I had re-checked the hide mines option. Un-checking hide mountain, clicking on OK, then going back to the preferences screen and re-checking it fixed it.

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              • No doubt he chucked in the infantry unit after building the pentagon so his army didn't become useless pauli.

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                • yeah, but look at the a/d numbers.
                  it's just my opinion. can you dig it?

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                  • Pioneer, the upgrade path was intentional. It was put in that way so that the AI wouldn't pay 90 gold each to upgrade the (superior) Swiss Mercs to the (inferior) Musketman. Shield for shield the Swiss Merc is one of the best units in the game.
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                    • What about the a/d numbers in particular? Two strong attackers, one strong defender then the infantry...

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                      • an army consisting of:

                        10/6
                        4/2
                        4/2
                        2/4

                        comes out as 4.5/2?
                        it's just my opinion. can you dig it?

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                        • infantrty is 6/10 so the totals do make sense
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                          • Originally posted by pauli
                            an army consisting of:

                            10/6
                            4/2
                            4/2
                            2/4

                            comes out as 4.5/2?
                            FYI the army stats are meaningless -- they have no bearing on the combat strength of the army -- it uses the individual unit stats during combat (plus the army bonus!).

                            Catt

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                            • Hmmm... that Army stats ARE meaningless, but it would have been nice if the bonus got added to the stats... so that Army would have been 8/9/2. Just a thought.
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                              • I'm not sure where this fits, but the C3C package says it includes PtW. So, why do I have to swap out CDROMs to play my PtW PBEM? Is there some additional install step that will recognize the Conquests disc when making the copywrite protection check for PtW?
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