Who should get these traits ?

[Mad Bomber]

Jon:

Japan reigned supreme in the pacific for less than a year, before the war the US had a slightly superior navy in comparison with the Japanese navy. It was only the attack on Pearl Harbor that gave them this superiority and theses losses were made up by January of 1943 when the Essex and Independece class carriers started to enter service.

A nation that only rules the seas for 6 mos does not deserve the seafaring trait.

As for the English I don't think that they will keep the expansionist trait, which will almost certainly be replaced by the seafaring trait.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Mad Bomber
Jon:

Japan reigned supreme in the pacific for less than a year, before the war the US had a slightly superior navy in comparison with the Japanese navy. It was only the attack on Pearl Harbor that gave them this superiority and theses losses were made up by January of 1943 when the Essex and Independece class carriers started to enter service.

A nation that only rules the seas for 6 mos does not deserve the seafaring trait.

As for the English I don't think that they will keep the expansionist trait, which will almost certainly be replaced by the seafaring trait.

hi ,

, the english should get expan and seafaring

when are some civs going to get three traits , ...... even if it where only at the start of a certain era of for a certain era , .....

have a nice day

[Myrddin]

The expansionist trait is the hardest to pin down - were empirers successful beacause they were expansionist, or were there other reasons?

IMO America, Russia should certainly be expansionist, as they kept adding territories as a matter of principle

England acquired an empire in a fit of abscence of mind -it didn't plan to, especially in India, but kept adding bits to ensure the stability of its current holdings

[arkammler]

English is sea. and com. this is form the preveiws; so lock it in.

[Kuciwalker]

America should be Agricultural-Industrious.

[GhengisFarb™]

Or maybe Agricultural-Scientific. Its hard to iron down two obvious traits for America.

[Kuciwalker]

Scientific? Nah. America has historically been better at taking discoveries from other nations and perfecting them, which is more Industrious.

[sabrewolf]

another "what traits for the US"-thread?

well, ok, now it's changed with the 2 new traits.

the americans could have any trait.

the only definate thing is commercial. after all, the US is the engine of the world economy. if the US economy coughs, europe is badly ill and asia is dying... and most great economical brains were yankeestanis (adam smith, milton friedman, john maynard keynes, etc.)

2nd trait could be anything:
most matching:
- expansionist (mainly in the 19th century)
- industrial (20th)
- militaristic (biggest and most powerful army ever. no president in the last several decades without at least one war)
- religious (the most religious western country after ireland)

not really matching, but could be:
- scientific (has some of the leading scientific institutions (MIT, etc.), but nobel prize winners per capita very low)
- agricultural (self-feeding country... however, 250 million aren't that much)
- seafaring (well, not really, but a quite powerful fleet)

[joncnunn]

That would seem to present problems with Holland unless that's one of the duplicates.

Originally posted by arkammler
English is sea. and com. this is form the preveiws; so lock it in.

[joncnunn]

America wasn't Scientific in the orginal Civ III, and that traight was around then, so it's almost certinately not going to be in Conquests.

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Or maybe Agricultural-Scientific. Its hard to iron down two obvious traits for America.

[joncnunn]

There's too many other empires that were more commerical at their peak than we are. (We have more natural resources than many countries)

Adam Smith was a UK economist, not a US one.

I think "Religous" in the Civ III terms is all levels of socity.

In the US, many Elites are down right hostile to all strongly held religious beliefs.

On Militarious, that's a very recent thing that started with the Cold War, and again. (We were outright Pacifist Isolationists in the 1930s.) We didn't want to be in second place to USSR.

As for Expanionistic, that pretty much died off in the 1910s.

On Seafaring, We didn't really seriously consider having a strong navy until the late 1880s, and that was in part due to worries about massive surpluses taking money out of circulation, and so the navy was modernized and greatly enlarged lest we burn a whole in our pocket. And post WW I, navy funding was greatly cut.

We were industrial even before the 20th century; I date that to 1830s with the railroads in the north, spreading to the south starting the 1850s (just in time to be destroyed and rebuilt in the Civil War, and especally post WW II, with the railroads spreading to the west especally in the 1870s and 80s.)

On Agricuture, our farmers feed the world. (Not literately, but we have massive agricultral surpluses, some of which is stored in Americans as fat)

There's civs that are better examples of Scientific.

Originally posted by sabrewolf
another "what traits for the US"-thread?

well, ok, now it's changed with the 2 new traits.

the americans could have any trait.

the only definate thing is commercial. after all, the US is the engine of the world economy. if the US economy coughs, europe is badly ill and asia is dying... and most great economical brains were yankeestanis (adam smith, milton friedman, john maynard keynes, etc.)

2nd trait could be anything:
most matching:
- expansionist (mainly in the 19th century)
- industrial (20th)
- militaristic (biggest and most powerful army ever. no president in the last several decades without at least one war)
- religious (the most religious western country after ireland)

not really matching, but could be:
- scientific (has some of the leading scientific institutions (MIT, etc.), but nobel prize winners per capita very low)
- agricultural (self-feeding country... however, 250 million aren't that much)
- seafaring (well, not really, but a quite powerful fleet)

[Myrddin]

Surely the Dutch should be Seafaring and Agricultural?

especially as this is quite an unusual combination

[Combat Ingrid]

Regarding China, some of their dynasties were certainly peaceful and invented lots of stuff (Agr, Sci). However, some other dynasties expanded like crazy into central Asia (Mil, Exp). I guess the traits to pick depends on what kind of China you prefer to play.

And btw, China is not industrious, they just use lots and lots of worker units to build their big projects


The Vikings should be Mil/Sea; although the peaceloving Swedish Vikings were more into trading.

[joncnunn]

I'm not aware of the Dutch Empire being known for Agriculture. Seafaring, yes! Commerce, yes! England actually regarded the Dutch as the bigger Commerical rival than France until the Dutch navy was destroyed in the late 1600s.

But for that matter, I'm not aware of any of the 31 civs being known for both Seafaring & Agricutural unless you just count size of their Navies as Seafaring.

Originally posted by Myrddin
Surely the Dutch should be Seafaring and Agricultural?

especially as this is quite an unusual combination

[Panag]

hi ,

all this talk ( hey its a great discour going now ) leads only to a stronger case to give several civs at least three traits , ......

the US should stay with its ind / exp traits , its a unique combination and really works great ones you get the hang of it

have a nice day