Who do you want as the final Civ?

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by Jarouik
If Conquests is really adding two civs to Americas, two to Europe and two to Middle East, the remaining one should be located in Africa, since there is the most space and the only sub-Saharan civilization in *any* Civ game *ever* has been the Zulu.

Therefore I vote Nubia, Mali or Ethiopia. (I would like Khmer included as well, I actually added them to my Civ2 rules myself, but there's no room in Conquests.)

Those are all excellent suggestions, but I'd like to add the Berbers, a people who are still around and notable in their interactions with many of the Civs in the current game (especially the Arabs, Spanish, French, Romans and Carthaginians)

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by Inhalaattori


You are right about many things, but the Iroguois never had 250 000 people. It is widely acreed that there were only 1-2 million natives in north America before europeans.

That is not widely agreed upon. Most estimates put that figure at a far higher number. A bulk of the Native Americans were killed by disease.

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Just to back up the assertion that there were far more than 1-2 million Native Americans north of Mexico:

http://nativenet.uthscsa.edu/alison-thesis/people.html

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by Anatolia
I voted for Ethiopia. A very ancient civilisation and covered in Herodotus' Histories. If that's not enough, they were the first people to cultivate coffee. Coffee changed civilisation, no?

Also, along with Armenia, one of the oldest "unchanged" Christian civilizations (the same cannot be said of Rome and Constantinople!)

[Inhalaattori]

Nice story. Hmm.. still dont totally buy it.
Most of the Nort- American natives were hunters and gatherers...
In the south of north- america could have been a lot of people, becouse they were farmers.
And I surely know that diseases brought by europeans killed great number of natives.
Maybe there were more than I said... ?
Lets end the conversation. We simply dont know exact numbers.

And hey, Armenia is a nice country. Not verry rich and mighty nowadays, but I have read that you had some kind of large empire long time ago. Am I right? Armenia could be in the civ also?
And System Of A Down is one of the best bands in USA.

[Inhalaattori]

Oh is that flag of Venezuela, not Armenia. Hehe, oops I did it again

[muxec]

Why Hebrews should be added.

Historical: Israel defeated other nations already included in the game (Arabs, Egyptians, Persians, Greeks)
Legal: If they include some strange minor races that nobody know them (Hittetes, never heard befor) and throw us away, it's pure antisemitism.

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by Inhalaattori
Nice story. Hmm.. still dont totally buy it.

What do you mean you "don't buy it"? What about it don't you buy? Look at basically any resource, everyone agrees that there were more than 1-2 million Native Americans before disease from Europe took it's toll! People don't know exact numbers and never will, but 1-2 is ridiculously low.

And hey, Armenia is a nice country. Not verry rich and mighty nowadays, but I have read that you had some kind of large empire long time ago. Am I right? Armenia could be in the civ also?
And System Of A Down is one of the best bands in USA.

I agree about both points... if Korea's in, Armenia should be in. Armenia has often "held the light of the west" in dim times... it was considered a rich province of both the Roman and Persian empires, and the Armenians have had very interesting independence struggles from the Russians and Turks both... an interesting country with a distinct culture... I would recommend R/S as its traits.

But it probably won't be in.

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by muxec
Why Hebrews should be added.

Historical: Israel defeated other nations already included in the game (Arabs, Egyptians, Persians, Greeks)
Legal: If they include some strange minor races that nobody know them (Hittetes, never heard befor) and throw us away, it's pure antisemitism.

Normally I take the "other side" of this argument, saying that Judaism alone is reason enough to include Israel, but I must object: Hittites as a "strange minor race"? As an atheist of Irish desent, I might say that the Hebrews are just as "strange and minor". The Hittites had a major impact on the ancient world and are a welcome addition.

Now that both the Hittites and Sumerians have been added, what's in question is the Babylonians, in my view... it's like having the "New Yorkers" as a civilization (not that I wouldn't love to see that )

[muxec]

Maybe it worth to merge Persians into Arabs from PTW?

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by muxec
Maybe it worth to merge Persians into Arabs from PTW?

No, the Persians are quite distinct... they are intended to represent the ancient Persians, the Mazdaists... the Persians and the people of Iranian are ethnically similar but culturally, and historically, quite different, and the ancient Persians interacted with, and had a major impact on (or were impacted by) the Greeks, the Romans, the Babylonians, the Indians, and the Arabs, and later on (as "Iran"), the Mongols, the Turks, the Russians, the English, etc.

It's too bad that 31 civs is hardcoded. Everyone's suggestions around here are valid. There should be room for all these civs. Someday...

[muxec]

People, play freeciv! All races with no extra payment and loads of expansions.

[Brundlefly]

If Hebrew is included should Jesus Christ be in the leader list?

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by Feephi
If Hebrew is included should Jesus Christ be in the leader list?

I can almost see the flaming reply to this post now...

[Panag]

Originally posted by Feephi
If Hebrew is included should Jesus Christ be in the leader list?

hi ,

you know better then that , .......

the answer is plain simple no

have a nice day