An OCC Strategy Guide for Emperor and Deity

[razzor7]

*eye twitch* *eye twitch* AHHHH! It's impossible! i'm in the Middle Ages and the others are in Industrial!!! I trade, I buy, I CAN'T DO IT!!!! oN top of that, the stinkin' French get NEWTONS UNIVERSITY!!!!!!!! what am i doing wrong?!?!?!?! I got an AWESOME start location: One forest with game, the res bonuos/regulor grassland.

this seems impossible... maybe i'm missong something?


thanks

[vmxa1]

Do you have any lux and any extra resources? It seems to be largely a function of staing on good terms with the AI and making good trades. That is if you have the required start location.

There are several OCC threads here, but I am not sure if any are for C3C. The extra ancient wonders will change things, especially since two yields free units.

Are you a religious civ going for a culture win? I know Dom failed to get Newtons, but won anyway via stealing tech.

[ToeTruck]

Originally posted by razzor7
*eye twitch* *eye twitch* AHHHH! It's impossible! i'm in the Middle Ages and the others are in Industrial!!! I trade, I buy, I CAN'T DO IT!!!! oN top of that, the stinkin' French get NEWTONS UNIVERSITY!!!!!!!! what am i doing wrong?!?!?!?! I got an AWESOME start location: One forest with game, the res bonuos/regulor grassland.

Heh. My eyes still twitch whenever I play. It's pretty scaring trying to win with only one city.

[SIZE=1]
this seems impossible... maybe i'm missong something?

I don't know if you're missing anything except maybe playing a few times. I know that I played dozens and dozens of games before I got the feel for how the game flows.

Knowing when to start pre-building a Wonder is one of the trickiest things to get a feel for. For example, the early Middle Ages is full of Wonders, but using one of them to pre-build Copes is wrought with peril. It's very easy for one of your rivals to "accidentally" build Copes as Sistine's and Leo's get finished. That's one of the reasons it's so important to trade/give away Invention and Theology. You *want* someone else to build them quickly so there aren't a pile of shields hanging out in some AI's city.

My overall advice is play a bunch of games and consider reloading failed games to see if there might have been a better path to victory. You learn a bunch by experimenting like that. I know that I have often gotten a game to a certain point and then "practiced" from there by playing "what ifs". You learn a lot and get much better very quickly.

Good luck.

- TT

[ToeTruck]

Originally posted by vmxa1
There are several OCC threads here, but I am not sure if any are for C3C. The extra ancient wonders will change things, especially since two yields free units.

Yeah, I think OCC is even better with C3C. The extra Wonders open up all kinds of possibilities (and quite a few challenges). For instance, The Temple of Artemis takes a *lot* of shields to build. I've encountered a number of times when one of my rivals "accidentally" builds the GL just because someone else built ToA. Or worse, someone builds ToA then another rivals requires tribute of Literature (talk about salt in the wounds), and then the GL falls. Ergh.

On the plus side, Curraghs are a real hoot. And so is the Mausoleum.

Talk to you later.

- TT

[razzor7]

Thanks for all the help! I've never had a problem once i got one thing: Experience. I'll post back in a couple of weeks how I'm doing.

Thanks

[razzor7]

Ok...it hasn't even been a day yet, but I've played through about 6 games since i read this post and EVERY single time the same thing happens: Everything goes just like the thread says, perfectly, great relations, until the STUPID FRENCH GET NEWTONS UNIVERSITY!!!!!!!!! What am I doing wrong?!?!?!?!?! Should I post a save game or something for you to look at? Screenshots?
*sigh* this is taking all the fun outta OCC, I think I might give up for a while Unless someone can help me

Thanks

[ToeTruck]

Yeah, post a save or two. Somewhere after you've built Copes or maybe when you've researching Physics, somewhere in there.

- TT

[razzor7]

Okey Dokey , see If you can fix my screw ups:

I'm using "Gold Edition" BTW, so if it doesn't load up, that's probably why.

[razzor7]

And here's one of me building Copes:

[razzor7]

And this is sometime after i think:



EDIT: Thanks, BTW

[ToeTruck]

Great Razzor. I'll take a peek at them tomorrow evening and post some comments after that.

- TT

[razzor7]

Ok, thanks a-million.

[Fistleaf]

I just finished an OCC at emperor level and failed badly. Initially it was alright, I built the Colossus, Great Library and Copernicus. After that it was downhill all the way. Simply can't catch up with techs.
I ended up building the most populous city (size 31) in the world by irrigating all the grasslands just for fun.

[razzor7]

You have the same problem as me: Everything just fine till Copes. Bet we're doing the same thing wrong. TT said he'd look at my saves to see if he could figure it out.

[Cabbagemeister]

I just finished a Monarch OCC game where I went through the Middle and Industrial Ages just great, got the GL, Copes, Theory of Gravity, and ToE right on schedule, and probably due to a terrific starting location (two luxuries, a cow, and about 10 river squares on the coast-WOW) I had absurd numbers of beakers coming in, I think more than 350 before the colossus became obsolete. I hit the modern age and I chose computers as my freebie tech and got seti, and built a research lab, and my beakers jumped up to about 450. I was confident I had it in the bag...and then I started trying to research. Suddenly I couldn't keep up at all. The jump in tech cost meant that even researching at 100%, I was only getting techs about every 12 turns, while the biggest AIs seemed to be on the 4-turn pace. I squandered my treasury buying the first few modern age techs after my freebie, and I couldn't make it back because at 100% science I had no money coming in, and the smaller, less-advanced rivals couldn't pay me enough to make up the deficit (especially when I had to keep paying India, my biggest rival, for aluminum). The big boys started piling up treasuries of 20,000g and I had nothing to trade them to get it back.

I did eventually win with a launch, but ONLY because the two big boys lacked uranium, by pure luck, and I made sure to get on really good terms with the Aztecs, who were the only civ to have any extra. I had to resort to stealing techs from the avanced civs because I couldn't afford to buy them or wait to research them. But if it wasn't for their uranium deficit, they would have launched about 20 turns before I could build up enough money to steal the laser.

The things I did wrong, according to the strategies posted here, are that a) I took my city up to capacity (about 29) instead of leaving it at 20, and made lots of scientists, b) I didn't start selling techs for super-cheap (under 50g) until the mid-industrial ages, and c) I had about 10 military units. Still, I don't see how fixing these problems could have helped my sub-par modern-age science rate. What am I missing? Should I have dropped modern-age science down to nothing and just bought techs? If so, then how do I get to The Laser first?