Pre-Steam Graphics Showcase

[typhoon]

If thats what you consider rusty then the rest of us are so far gone that all the WD-40 on earth won't save us.

[fairline]

Welcome back Tanelorn Those Chinese mods are extremely nice!

[fairline]

Taking a break from WW1 ships for a while (don't worry Exile, I'll finish them in a couple of weeks or so )

Here's some ancient Greek and Macedonian units - I've used Nick Secunda's hypotheses on Macedonian and Greek uniforms as the source.

[Exile]

[Eivind IV]

Looking good!

[Cyrion]

Simply beautiful Fairline!

And your "ancient" units lead me to plan something for the near future, I'll PM you about it in a few weeks...

[Gagliaudo]

@fairline:

really, really GOOOOD JOB !!!

I'll back to some ancient (in every sense ) projects of mine...

BTW: ok hypaspistes... when will we see 'argiraspides'? (silvershields - a kind of maceonian guard, if I remember); It would be good (when You'll have time) to see a Spartan officer and a mercenary (V-IV century) too ... It's possible?
THANKS and have a nice time !

[fairline]

Thanks gents

@Cyrion: looking for ward to your PM

@Gaugliaudo: I know that in the later Seleucid army the 'Argyraspids' were armed as phalangites and a separate body from the hypaspists, but the sources I have for Alexander's army invariably associate them with the hypaspists (ie the Argyraspids and hypaspists were the same body of troops). Hence I drew the hypaspist with a silver shield.

IIRC I also read somewhere that they may instead have been the the agema of the phalanx who were commanded by Seleukos. Any info on this?

I'll have a go at the Spartan pics.

[fairline]

Originally posted by Gagliaudo
BTW: ok hypaspistes... when will we see 'argiraspides'? (silvershields - a kind of maceonian guard, if I remember); It would be good (when You'll have time) to see a Spartan officer and a mercenary (V-IV century) too ... It's possible?

Yes it is

OK, the Seleucid Argyraspid is by analogy with the illustration of the Chalkaspid in Sekunda's 'The Seleucid Army', while the Alexandrian Macedonian Argyrispid is based on the illustration of Coenus' elite phalangite in Sekunda's 'Army of Alexander the Great' with added silver shield. Sekunda associates a figure on the Alexander Sarcophagus with an Attic helmet as being part of the Greek Allied contingent of Alex's army, many of whom became mercenaries later - he could equally be a peltast, so I've included a pic of one. Finally, Spartan senior officers appear to have been dressed as their men, but with a transverse helmet crest.

[tanelorn]

Amazing! Any Achaemenid Persians to match against them perhaps? (!!!)

[Gagliaudo]

Wonderful, Fairline !!!

That's really like I wanted!
The traverse crest is a must!
Stefan Hartel made like this too, in his excellent "Son of Herakles" (about arcaic Sparta).
Thanks for explications.
About the AGEMA, it was the elite corp of CAVALRY, to break the enemy resistance in the clou of the battle.

Keep on, great job!!!

[Gagliaudo]

And, I was forgetting...

Standing ovation for your master-touch: the 'sarissa' taken by the TWO hands of the pezetairos...

Congratulations !!!
(Be clear, if I forgot another designer who made the same before, I apologize and I make my compliments to him, too... )

Bye you all guys!

[fairline]

Originally posted by tanelorn
Amazing! Any Achaemenid Persians to match against them perhaps? (!!!)

Thanks Tanelorn - and yes, I was working on them when I posted the Greeks

I'm on far shakier ground drawing Persians than Greeks. I've relied mainly on Secunda again as the source, and he sometimes makes unsupported claims about 'uniforms' worn by the Persians, based mainly on repetition of clothing colours on the Alexander mosaic. He also suggests that the flowing Achaemenid robes shown on carvings of Immortals at Persopolis were court dress only, and from the start of the 5th Century onwards Median dress (ie trousers and tunics) were worn in combat. I guess this is supported by contemporary Greek art, but maybe an expert can comment on this (Stefan Haertel? )

[fairline]

Originally posted by Gagliaudo
About the AGEMA, it was the elite corp of CAVALRY, to break the enemy resistance in the clou of the battle.

Thanks for the compliments Gagliaudo

BTW, I think 'Agema' (those who lead?) in the context of the Macedonian army referred to elite parts of both the (mounted) Companions (heteroi) and Foot Companions (Pezheteroi) and Hypaspists. In the case of the Heteroi, the Agema was the Basilike Ile (Royal squadron) which was lead by Alexander himself. Could be wrong here though!

[tanelorn]

Speechless- in awe!

Minor note on the swords. The hoplite used his short sword as a secondary weapon, often this was the leaf-shaped top heavy "Kopis"= cutter to hack through shields. It was not intented as a stabbing weapon though. It is similar to that you painted for the iberian warrior in "Hanibal", though the back side curves inward closer to the tip.
Alexanders cavalry used a curved blade, the "Xyston"= scraper.
Are you positive about the Alpha on the Athenian shields? Athens standard was (and is) the "glaux"= Owl, Minerva's symbol.