Has ToT stood the test of time?

[Sarxis]

lol

No.

And too bad too. I did enjoy it though, as it was the version of Civ II that I played. Introduced me to CIV, and lead me to choosing SMAX!

[Julius Brenzaida]

You're right !
I think MGE has won !
I don't feel bad about it though
(I have both versions)

[rwprice]

I have both versions, too, and I always find it humorous when people speak so negatively against ToT (not this thread, but others). Let's face it: the Original game in ToT is the same game as MGE! It's fine if people don't like the graphics, but that's a personal preference issue. However, that in and of itself doesn't make it a bad game. As I've played them both, the only real differences in ToT are the graphics, lack of wonder movies, lack of advisors, and lack of throne room, none of which detract from my enjoyment of the game. In fact, I'm one of the few who actually likes the ToT graphics.

The only substantive reason I can think of that gives MGE an edge is the availability of scenarios and modpacks, but even those can be converted for ToT. In short, it's just another option in the Civ2 universe, so why bash it?

[Julius Brenzaida]

Rwprice, you're right !
ToT is MGE with different (worse or better according to some) graphics
And the possibilty for other games (extended, midgard, science fiction).
All those who own it can enjoy playing Civ2 with it
And if you have original civ2 or MGE cd-rom, just put it in the drive while playing ToT and you'll get the wonder movies !
All this said, I have to admit I am married to MGE, but with no disrespect to ToT

[lord of the mark]

The tragedy of TOT may be that civ3 follows it too soon.

As is starting to become apparent in the scenario community, TOT has great scenario building potential. However that has only become apparent recently, and there are only a few TOT scenarios out there. Had there been more time we could see TOT become very important in the scen comm, but i think civ3 will cut that off.

LOTM

[ravagon]

I wouldn't write off Tot or its scenarios just yet. It took a long while for civ2 scenarios to really take off and there are still a lot of pretty good ones both released very recently and still in the making.
It'll take time for Civ3 players/strategies/scenarios to really make the most of Civ3 too...

[Sarxis]

I'll be making the most of CivIII the first day it comes out- by installing it and having a 36 hour playfest!!

<-- Paul Shafer

[Mercator]

I really do like the ToT graphics, I don´t know about MGE but the extra games are a very good bonus over to FW and before.
One reason why it could and should survive Civ3 is multiple worlds. That opens up many possibilities, few of which have bee explored yet I think, and since Civ3 doesn´t have them... Also, CSPL is something that could become a major help in creating ToT scenarios. If only more people would buy ToT.

[The Andy-Man]

how many other versions of civ have unit mania?

[Julius Brenzaida]

Well, it is true that with the 4 worlds and the scenario tools, there are many interesting optinos.
What’s more, I’m working on the second version of my no-limits add-on and it might help a little bit. See the “new version of no limits add-on" thread in the civ2/creation forum.

[JayKay]

We cannot forget that there are some great diferences from MGE to TOT:

1. In ToT you can sell, for example, one improvement (per turn) in all your cities just by choosing to sell one (this option then pops up). This is pretty usefull when you have built/captured the Hoover Dam and want to sell all Hydro/Nuclear/Power Plants in all your cities!!

2. The AI is pretty better in ToT version!!

3. The Units graphics really move and attack when that's the action made, and the units stay in the same direction they were last time they attacked/moved! (aldo the units graphics themselfs aren't very impressive )

Aldo all of this i don't like much of the graphics too! I think maybe they are too dark!

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Portugal - Nation of Magellan's (from Magellan's Expedition)

[Julius Brenzaida]

JayKay : how can you tell the AI from TOT is better than from MGE
It would be interesting to know

[JayKay]

Originally posted by Julius Brenzaida
JayKay : how can you tell the AI from TOT is better than from MGE
It would be interesting to know

I don't have any technical issue that can support that!

However from my experience as civ player (I have the Civ 1; CivNet; Civ 2 MGE; Civ 2 ToT; CTP; SMAC); the AI civs in ToT tend to attack you more often and with more units when they suspect that your peace treaty with them is not for real; also the Barbarian Tribes seams more powerful than in MGE!

But...as i said this post is just a suspicion; i'm not sure of any of these!

But if you would like to enlight me...be my guest!

As the other two points on the previous post (1. and 3.); i'm absolutley sure of them!

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Portugal - Nation of Magellan's (from Magellan's Expedition)

[Cookie Monster]

Hi all,


I just recently purchased ToT and I must say that I agree with JayKay that the AI is more aggressive. I've been playing Civ II since 1996 and I've never seen the AI assemble such a well coordinated assault force as I have in ToT. In a recent Extended Game I was playing I had populated 3 islands as France. The second island I was on was successfully attacked by the English (AI). They used an amphibious landing supported by ships and stealth bombers. I was stunned.

At first I thought that the graphics were tough on the eyes but after getting used to them I realized that I really like the graphics in ToT. Now if I can only find somewhere to play online. I was on MSN's game zone last night but they don't have that game supported. Only the MGE version.

Anybody know of any sites that one can go to to play?

[JayKay]

Originally posted by Haupt. Dietrich
Hi all,


Now if I can only find somewhere to play online. I was on MSN's game zone last night but they don't have that game supported. Only the MGE version.

Anybody know of any sites that one can go to to play?

I don't know of any site to play ToT, even because i usually plan my games (ToT or MGE) via ICQ or e-mail, and we play it over the internet at TCP/IP!!

If you are interested in playing, msg me! I know of some guys who would like to play ToT (including myself)!!

Perhaps there's an ICQ Active List for ToT (there's two for MGE) - i'll see this!!

Hope i helped you in some way (i wish i could help you more)!

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Portugal
Nation of: Magellan's (from Magellan's Expedition);
Vasco da Gama (Discoverer of the Maritime path to India);
and Pedro Álvares Cabral (Discoverer of Brazil in 1500)