Really big maps, really big empires

[Straybow]

I have a game that started as a Progressive Game over on the Spanish Forum. To waste time I branched off from the save before I launched and continued playing for the heck of it. I have about 125 cities and haven't had problems celebrating.

PS: My best delivery bonus so far is 3475g (75x120 map, distance 81, Escorial visible at size 23 and several river tiles, size 20+ Herrera with 2 silk 1 Wine and rivers). Never broken or even anywhere near 3k for anything but Oil and U.

[Mercator]

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man
(you need the no-limits patch to open it, I think)

No. Except when you already have more than 320 million citizens, or more than 30,000 gold, there will be discrepancies, because people without the no-limits patch will see those values go weird as usual.

But I assume you were referring to the gigamap thing. The no-limits patch only enables Civ2 to generate random gigamaps. It can already open them. In fact, if you couldn't, gigamaps would probably never have been discovered at all.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

OK Didn't know how the no-limits patch was derived. I do like it, though.

So... any thoughts re: the pollution issue?

[N35t0r]

Hmm... I would have sworn I had replied to this.


Anyway:

First: Luxes make very unhappy citizens go directly to happy (2 are needed, rather than the 4 needed to do the same for an unhappy citizen, or the 6 that would be expected.) I thought this was common knowledge.

What I did notice is that you weren't experiencing the lux cap, as all the luxuries in each city were being counted towards happyness (rather than a maximum of city size # of luxes). I don't have much experience with ToT, so perhaps this could be the reason. Any ToT expert knows?


As for pollution, I recalled reading somewhere that (on diety?), you would eventually reach the point where even a single smokestack was guaranteed to produce pollution every turn. I'll go dig through the GL, which is where I thought I found that.

[N35t0r]

The pollution thing:

As you can see mathematically, after you discover the 102nd advance at deity, you are guaranteed to get pollution every turn, even if you have only a single pollution icon (the yellow triangle) in your city status. This translates to Future Technology 15.... after that, even one pollution icon in a city status screen will yield one polluted terrain.

I found it on this CFC thread which was linked to the GL. I didn't go through the forumulae in detail, though.

[edit:] So I did take a closer look...

TP = RP + PP (round down)

P = DL * (A / 2)

RN = Random Integer between 0 and (256 - P)

If RN < (TP * 2) then you get 1 pollution within the city radius


KEY:
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TP = Total Pollution Icons
(it is the # of pollution icons you see in city status)

PP = Population Pollution

CP = City Population (Size of city)

TM = Tech Multiplier

RP = Resource Pollution

SP = Shields Produced

RPD = Resource Pollution Divisor

DL = Difficulty Level
(0-Cheftian, 1-warlord, 2-Prince, 3-king, 4-Emperor, 5-Deity)

A = Number of advances since 4000 BC
(this EXCLUDES the advances you started with!!!)

RN = Random Number (an integer)

So, a random number between 0 and [255 - (1/2 Advances) * 5 (for deity)] is chosen, and if it's smaller than twice the amount of smokestacks, there's pollution.

If you have all 87 advances, then the game generates the random number between 0 and 37. That's 100% chance for 19 smokestacks and 50% chance for 10...

[Verrucosus]

Originally posted by N35t0r
Luxes make very unhappy citizens go directly to happy (2 are needed, rather than the 4 needed to do the same for an unhappy citizen, or the 6 that would be expected.) I thought this was common knowledge.

What I did notice is that you weren't experiencing the lux cap, as all the luxuries in each city were being counted towards happyness (rather than a maximum of city size # of luxes).

This is why I love coming here. I've been playing this game for more than seven years now and I still don't even know all of the "rules".

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by N35t0r
The pollution thing:



So, a random number between 0 and [255 - (1/2 Advances) * 5 (for deity)] is chosen, and if it's smaller than twice the amount of smokestacks, there's pollution.

If you have all 87 advances, then the game generates the random number between 0 and 37. That's 100% chance for 19 smokestacks and 50% chance for 10...

That makes perfect sense. I'm well past FT15 in this game, which is Tech 102.

255-(102*.5)*5=0. Ergo, the 100% chance of pollution.

Thanks!

[N35t0r]

n/p

It's good that all the useles stuff I pick up about the game is useful to some people. Now if I could only remember mathematical theorems as easily...

[Grigor]

I love Civ II !!!!