Need Map Finished

[Sarsstock]

Well, of course I agree that Washington ordering the Carpet Bombing of Miami wouldn't help the situation, nor would Sacramento ordering the carpet bombing of Pro-American cities in California.

All and all I think your suggestions are pretty good. Do you have any experience in ToT scenario making though? I have apsolutley none.

[Patine]

I once began work on a near future global scen with Earth, Mars and AC as available worlds, and I got a basic knack for it, save multi-mapping. Given this is a one-map scen with no animation, I should have little trouble. I'll miss the FW editors, but they're largely a luxury for a veteran. I think if you manage the graphics and a decent share of the ideas, and someone gets the map done, I can do the text files and cutting and pasting the bitmaps. How does that division of labor sound?

[Sarsstock]

Sounds good to me. You wouldn't happen to remember where this Congo scenario can be found or who produced it do you? If you can that would really help us along.

[Patine]

Actually, I have it in my 'Net Stuff' folder in Civ2. Here's the .zip file I extracted it from. I also think there's a unit in there that, with brighter and more varied colored clothes, could be made into the gang unit.

[Patine]

Another thing to consider is terrain resources. Oases and pheasants aren't appropriate to North America, farmers decide where wheat, wine, and fruit grow, buffalo and whales are too scarce to be reliable resources (and strict laws even the seccessionists would support protect them), etc. I think, as per a theme of this scen, abundant water should be a resource. Any other suggestions?

[Sarsstock]

Fishing stocks should be hard to find in general, to reflect the effects of over fishing. Maybe we can contact Curt and ask his opinion on terrain and more importantly commodities. As far as I'm concerned, Curt comes up with the best commodities.

In any case, here's a Cuban Mig-21 on lease to Florida, note it still features the Air Force seal of Cuba. I also gave it some camoflauge, as I'm sure it would come in handy flying over low lying swamp areas.

[Patine]

That MiG looks great, and I agree with fishing stocks as a resource. Why don't you PM Curt and ask his opinion on the issue and please post back. Unless, of course, you're following this thread, Curt, in which case please drop a post. Either way, Curt's opinion should be solicited, I agree. Anyone else with ideas, also feel free to contribute. I thought just now maybe prime timber (in forest terrain) and uranium (in mountain terrain) as other resources.

[Sarsstock]

And here is an American A10 Warthog and an Apache attack hellicopter. Now I imagine some of these might fall into Californian hands so I might have to come up a Californian Air Force seal. I'm thinking a red circle around a white circle with a California Grizzly Bear in the middle.

Sadly, the California Grizzly Bear is extinct. Just thought I'd inform you all of that.

[Patine]

They look great! And I agree with the California Air Force seal design. What do you think of the gunboat in that Congo scen?

[Sarsstock]

Well I had a look at it, I think it needs some modifying as right now it doesn't quite fit with the Fairline total isometric style.

Anyways, here are standard humvee's in the service of both the US Army and the California Army.

[Sarsstock]

In any event, here is a piece of the units.gif as it stands now. I just tested it out in ToT and the graphics work perfectly.

Even if I were to create a unit for each one you described, we will still have plenty of room left over. Though I suppose thats a problem thats good to have. So lets have some other idea's for units and such.

[Patine]

It looks good so far! As a recount, here's the units You or I've suggested that have yet to get graphics:

Western Attack Jeep
Western Motorized Infantry (armored car)
Western Attack-Rigged Corporate Jet
Quebec version of each of the above three Western units
Quebec Gunboat
US FFG (frigate)
US DD (destroyer)
US SSBN (conventional submarine)
US Army Rangers
US General Infantry
US M2A1 Bradly (APC)
US F-117A
US F-15 Eagle
Canadian Leopard
Canadian APC (uncertain on model name)
Canadian Sea King
Californian Coast Guard PT Boat
Californian LA Gang Unit
Floridan Militia
Cuban Supply Transport
Cuban Air Defense
Cuban Home Infantry
Boeing 747 Air Transport (Western, Quebec and Californian)
C-130 Hercules (US and Canadian)
Mexican Infantry (barbarian defense only)

I think that about covers it. There should also be an engineer unit, mostly to repair pillaging (maxing out cities or adjusting fertility with a hex editor may prevent city building). Anything else you can think of?

[Patine]

Oh, and I forgot, the US Marine and Californian F-15. All of that should still fit into a ToT units.bmp (an MGE one would be very unlikely, though). I think we should find most of them already made, or only needing touch-ups, and thus a shield need only be assigned. Let me know if I've missed anything.

[Sarsstock]

No I think you got them all. I'm going to use this moment to send out an official Fairline request. Fairline, I was wondering if you could maybe provide us with some models for bare chested warriors to represent Florida Militia (The Brando type) and Los Angelas gang units.

I think I can hold my own when it comes to recolouring uniforms, but skin tones are just too foreign for me. We'd appreciate any help you can offer man!!

[Sarsstock]

Oh, and I think we should exclude the Sea King, though this may be wishfull thinking, I hope to high heaven they're still not in service in another decade, considering they belonged in a museam 15 years ago.

Also, I'm not aware of any Fairline style F-117 fighters. There might be one or two that I'm just not aware of however.