Need Map Finished

[Patine]

Here's some sound to make it more enjoyable.

[Patine]

And here's some more.

[Sarsstock]

Are you on MSN Patine? If so then we should add eachother to our contact lists to allow more efficient communication and information exchange.

I'm at Chris_Hudzieczko@Hotmail.com

[Patine]

Actually, I'm not on MSN, and my Internet provider in fact has issues with MSN Messenger. I am, however, on Yahoo! and Netscape Network as below:

doman_rota@yahoo.com
chandallah@netscape.net

If you can link up with Yahoo! Messenger, you can add me to your friends list (which will also do the reverse automatically).

[Sarsstock]

Well its a shame we can't discuss this online, I doubt we'll ever get much done without having a realtime conversation. Otherwise we'll just be trading idea's here and there and the scenario will likely bog down in early development.

In any case, I'm still having doubts about Florida's involvment in this scenario. I think there will be enough breakaway nations in this scenario as it is for now, and I'm not sure that Cuba in any future timeline would be able to mount an occupation of South Florida.

[Patine]

I think I see you're point in regards to Florida, at least in that Cuba financial and military woes are very significant and aren't likely to improve while they remain under their current regime. It was an idea, but maybe not the best one.

As for MSN, I'll give it another try, maybe with some tech support. If it doesn't work, please at least consider Yahoo! Messenger (I'm told both messengers can run simultaneously) as an alternative.

[Sarsstock]

Well I won't say it was a bad idea, Civilization II is home to some of the most insane but creative scenario idea's out there. Now, in the last 24 hours I've gotten quite a bit of information from local and national news about the melting of Canada's north and the possible ramifications world wide.

Basically, I think when our scenario takes place in a decade water will have become so scarce that the vast deserts of the American south west may actually exband, swollowing up vast tracks of land.

We are a spoiled people we North Americans, we have never had to worry about mass starvation or mass droubt that effects not just towns but cities, states and provinces. This is afterall what triggers the upheaval that ignites this scenario.

I also caught a documentary on CBC last night about a Canadian military exercise in the Canadian artic, if you can call it the artic still. Basically, the exercise didn't go as well as the army had planned, though many of the problems were due to bad weather. I doubt the Americans could have fared much better in such conditions. Not that this matters much since little if no fighting will take place in the Canadian Artic in our scenario.

Here's an interesting side note.... in 1945, Canadian General Andrew McNaughton made a prediction that if Canada and the United States ever went to war, it would be over water and water rights.

[Patine]

Ultimately, water should be a predominant theme, but politics should, as always, overcomplicate that simplicity. I, too, have heard about arctic troubles and recently read a global environmental report of the top ten 'hotspots' of ecological trouble (two or three were in or near North America). The Florida idea probably shouldn't be nixed entirely in consideration, just relegated to a low priority.

BTW, I've got MSN Messenger working and put your e-mail address as a contact, but you've been offline everytime I've checked since then. I hope I catch you online soon, though. I used the following e-mail address as my .NET passgate, as I used it for Microsoft tech support.

chandallah@netscape.net

[jim panse]

Hey, Patine, I think I´ve got something for you ... far from being anywhere close to finished or perfect but I think some kind of start, anyhow ...

[Patine]

@jim panse: Sorry about the delay. The map looks much better. With minimal tinkering, it should be at least functional, in a utilitarian sort of way. Thanks!

BTW, it seems Sarsstock has been booted from the forum for an e-mail issue (they say his account is closed, but it's not). Anyone know how to help?

[Sarsstock]

No need to worry friend, I just got back on with Poly here. Anyways, the tasks at hand include getting Fairline to help us with those full colour pallet versions of the units we require, finding an apropriate city style, terrain graphics, icons, sounds, and finding a way to write the events you proposed.

All and all nothing a couple of Canadians like us can't handle.

[jim panse]

Say, would anyone keep on posting this very map once improved? I´d like to take a look at it too

[Patine]

Sorry for the delay, guys.

@Sarsstock: good to see you on Apolyton again. I am sure we can handle these trials, especially events, but it may take some creative use of the Civ engine. I do hope Fairline responds, too.

@jim panse: well, I'm no good at maps, but I'm certain (or at least hopeful) that someone whose downloaded it is.