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Blooming heck! There's no stopping this man!Originally posted by fairline Curt, I have these MG's from WW1 as well: a British Vickers MG and German MG08 (Vickers-Maxim copy)
These look totally superb in game, again you win the day, fairline! Cheers!
You have a point...Originally posted by fairline
I was thinking about your aircraft selection, Curt. I think Boco's right - you maybe have a few too many British types. At most I would have 3 upgrades of fighter; maybe an Avro 504 (1914), Nieuport (used by both the British and French - 1916) and Camel (1917).
My plan for aircraft is thus:
(Entente)
Light generic monoplane - (all, except Germans) to represent the Morane-Saulnier N and similar.
Upgrades to:
Nieuport 17 (French only)
Fe2b (Brits only)
Generic Biplane (All civ except Entente and Centrals)
Nieuport 17 -
Upgrades to:
Spad 13 (French only)
Fe2b -
Upgrades to:
Camel (Brits only)
Avro 504 - (very light bomber)
Upgrades to:
DH4 (light bomber)
DH4 -
Upgrades to:
Handley Page (heavy bomber)
(Germans)
Eindecker -
Upgrades to:
Albatros (DII/III models)
Albatros -
Upgrades to:
Fokker DRI (triplane)
Fokker DRI
Upgrades to:
Fokker DVII (ultimate fighter inscenario)
Gotha C4 Bomber appears as a replacement for the Zepplins.
If you have the time, I would be so grateful if you could give the Fokker DVII a shot?
I know I am a fokker for asking (shoot me ) but your aircraft are so good that mine would not pass muster.
PS
I may have to drop some craft, and it makes me sad to not use such wonderful units.
I must do a ToT version of this scen too, so I can use everything!
I do agree, fairline!Originally posted by fairline
Do you think there should be French cavalry and possibly French African troops?
Hence I will sacrifice the Brequet and Brisfit...*weeps*
Pehaps A generic Entente and Central powers AC to cover all bases?Originally posted by fairline
I'm not sure about the Lancia, either. They were unusable for the Italians in their main theatre of operations against the Austrians in the Alps and were mainly used against for policing Libya. Perhaps a British or Russian AC - the Brits were the first to field them and the Russians used them extensively. I may be able to come up with a Lanchester or Austin-Putilov if you decide on the British or Russians.
Again, many thanks for those MGs, If you could do a DVII, I would be humbled!
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How far can the planes move Curt? Almost all WW1 planes had very short ranges, and moving more then two or three map squares would have probably been beyond them.
IMO, you should cut the aircraft to a few generic designs (ie basic fighter/bomber and advanced fighter/bomber) and add more ships. The British Queen Elizabeth class battleships for instance are much more deserving of a unit slot then any single warplane type of the era.'Arguing with anonymous strangers on the internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be - or to be indistinguishable from - self-righteous sixteen year olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.'
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The plane's will be limited to a max of three squares, and that is even the final upgraded types.
But sorry, Case, I love WW1 aircraft, (as much as you love navies!) and that was the main reason for including so many planes.
And I couldn't bear to drop any more of fairline's cool units!
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Wait a minute....
There is definetely something amiss here....
Where is a Greek infantry unit?
It so happened that Greek infantry was the world's finest at that time.Yes they performed even better than the Reichswehr and perhaps the BEF.
Okay perhaps i'll shut my nationalistic mouth now.
What are those Curt?Japs?
I think it would be better to include in their place a minor Central powers ally infantry(Bulgars) and an minor Entente allies unit(Rommanians, Serbs, Yugoslavians, Greeksetc).
I mean the Japs only fought one major engagement during the war besieging Tsingtao(???) and forcing the German marines regiment to surrender. About 1000 casualities in all.
Just some thoughts here.
Those MGs truly are something."Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII
All those who want to die, follow me!
Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.Comment
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Yes, that would explain their performance in 1921-2. Most of their Great War gains occurred in late 1918 against a mutinous Bulgarian army on a front many historians consider a waste of resources.It so happened that Greek infantry was the world's finest at that time.
Regardless of their performance, the Greek role in WWI was small. On that alone, I'd recommend other minor units over Greek infantry. One of those would be a generic minor power infantry.
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I'm just glad to see the Canadian contribution reconized. Now as regards to including Japan in the game, I like this idea because it give the player the chance to be more aggressive and seize the opportunity to snatch european owned soil in the pacific.
Who knows, the Japanese could even make allies with the Central Powers and attack the Philipines or Singapore and Hong Kong..... Who knows. Oh and one more question, I'm sure I've missed it somewhere but could somebody tell me what the human civ's are? That way I could get to work on a little piece of fan art for this game.Comment
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Who would have control of a Greek infantry?
In a global scen, Japan must stay, of course,
the cavalry may move out, but we'll see...!
I want to give the player some options, and not just the same old England and France vs Germanics as always.
The civs right now:
Central Powers.
The Entente.
Tzarist Russia.
Imperial Turkey.
Kingdom of Italy.
Imperial Japan.
The Great Nations.
There is an cheap infantry unit that will fill the gaps for minor nations, etc...
I may combine the German and Italian AC into one generic type, and free up a unit slot...
Any suggestions?
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I'll have a go at the Fokker, CurtOriginally posted by curtsibling
You have a point...
My plan for aircraft is thus:
(Entente)
Light generic monoplane - (all, except Germans) to represent the Morane-Saulnier N and similar.
Upgrades to:
Nieuport 17 (French only)
Fe2b (Brits only)
Generic Biplane (All civ except Entente and Centrals)
Nieuport 17 -
Upgrades to:
Spad 13 (French only)
Fe2b -
Upgrades to:
Camel (Brits only)
Avro 504 - (very light bomber)
Upgrades to:
DH4 (light bomber)
DH4 -
Upgrades to:
Handley Page (heavy bomber)
(Germans)
Eindecker -
Upgrades to:
Albatros (DII/III models)
Albatros -
Upgrades to:
Fokker DRI (triplane)
Fokker DRI
Upgrades to:
Fokker DVII (ultimate fighter inscenario)
Gotha C4 Bomber appears as a replacement for the Zepplins.
If you have the time, I would be so grateful if you could give the Fokker DVII a shot?
I kind of like the idea of 'Red Baron' for Civ BTWComment
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Originally posted by Palaiologos
Wait a minute....
There is definetely something amiss here....
Where is a Greek infantry unit?
The Serbs have more claim to a unit - they twice defeated the Austrians before succumbing to a joint Austrian / Bulgarian invasion
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Yeah, don't forget to give the Germans their city in China
( Tsingtao 
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"Peace cannot be kept by force.
It can only be achieved by understanding"Comment
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Wow!
Thanks fairline!
No WW1 scen could do without those knights of the sky, Especially Mannock, Foncke and the Baron.Comment
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Originally posted by Boco
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Yes, that would explain their performance in 1921-2. Most of their Great War gains occurred in late 1918 against a mutinous Bulgarian army on a front many historians consider a waste of resources.
Regardless of their performance, the Greek role in WWI was small. On that alone, I'd recommend other minor units over Greek infantry. One of those would be a generic minor power infantry.
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Well we did defeat the Bolsheviks in the Crimea in 1919....
As for the 1919-22 war the troop perfomance was good, it was the lack of ultra-offensive spirit that led to our demise. I do agree that Greek contributtion was small in the war, as we only entered it in 1917 and apart from defeating the Bulgaro-German army at Skra we didn't do anything else noteworthy.
But there was just this 7 years period that the Greek army brushed aside every opponent it met(Ottomans, Bulgars, Germans, French, Bolsheviks).
But seriously now i'd rather see a minor allies(Serbs or whoever) unit in place of the Japs.Last edited by Palaiologos; March 2, 2004, 10:03."Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII
All those who want to die, follow me!
Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.Comment
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#Originally posted by Arthedain
Yeah, don't forget to give the Germans their city in China ( Tsingtao )
Might be Shantung.Comment
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