Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread]

[Russia (DoE)]

I would not take any advantage by double moving. As I have no units who can come in touch with your units, I decided to go on and play my turn. I was with the impression, that we agreed on the "block" timer and with this move it is restored - England, Russia and Ottomans play in the first half of the timer and Vikings, France (Neandor???) in the second half.

Last week I was at vacation, so it was ok for me to play at any time, but now I am back at work and either I play early in the begining of the timer, or I have to play nearly 5 hours before the end of the timer leaving small amount of time for France to play.

[Vikings (DoE)]

Maybe Russia should have waited for the Vikings to take their turn and not double move.

[Calanthian]

my password for voting isn't working..
(Aztec)

[OzzyKP]

Happy Birthday Toni!!!

[India (DoE)]

India does not have password for voting...

[Germany (DoE)]

Yes, your posts can be purely OOC, but your claims IC and OOC are contradictional. I am reffering to your oppinion about London. This I am reffering to as a mixing.

Also, you have the habit of claiming both IC and OOC many times being friends with someone and then these nations to come and seek protection from you, you arch-evil \

No need - you said it twice OOC, but I will make an IC story too

he he

I think we agree then... I say one thing IC and another OOC!

Isn't that what it's about?

IC London is spoken for.
OOC I don't like capitals being taken and kept. End of!

[Russia (DoE)]

Yes, your posts can be purely OOC, but your claims IC and OOC are contradictional. I am reffering to your oppinion about London. This I am reffering to as a mixing.

Also, you have the habit of claiming both IC and OOC many times being friends with someone and then these nations to come and seek protection from you, you arch-evil \

If Veneta toyed with the idea of London being returned and was an ig conversation then it is IG!

You are using IC info OOC. Please argue this IC.

No need - you said it twice OOC, but I will make an IC story too

[Germany (DoE)]

If Veneta toyed with the idea of London being returned and was an ig conversation then it is IG!

You are using IC info OOC. Please argue this IC.

I've just quickly looked over the recent posts and all mine are genuine OOC posts but it is you who are nastily mixing things up between IC and OOC.

And of course France and Neander have been close for long, that is true; BUT it was also true of the Ottoman Turks and Neander but that has changed only recently.

[Russia (DoE)]

Come on, Neandor and France are close as a butt and pants for mileniums already. You can claim it is not the case - thats your right, but dont expect anyone to believe you, behind the scenes this is well - known fact and beyond any doubt for I may say all the interested nations.

The Vikings are playing on their own behalf and I guess they are aligned with you out of necessity. There is one sure thing - they came to us asking for protection from you. I guess they are using you to keep their back, and you are doing it gladly if the alternative was you to face the Viking's rifles. Which is absolutely ok.

I guess we can play the game either way, but you are setting a nasty trend of mixing the things - first you agreed that London must not be captured, then when your buddies the French took it, you said to me that you still believe London have to be returned, but you have to consult with the French and then magically your belief that London must remain under French control is absolutely firm, because the French put a lot of efforts and losses in capturing it and because the English and the French had historical disagreements and because this is the reality - London is in French hands and England is not in position to take it back with force.

I wonder what you would tell if somehow England regains her power and captures Paris and wants to keep it because of

the English and the French had historical disagreements and because this is the reality

Will you still follow your logic or change your point of view?

[Germany (DoE)]

BOLD ADDED BY ME:

[OOC]

I am complaining and shouting only IC, I know that a good player must not complain about the course of the game and accept the possibility to lose someway, somehow. I know this is just a game and I am playing it. This is how I imagine the mighty Russia would react as a world power and this is what my Just Catherine would act. If you feel that I am banging the drum or I am frustrated, this means I am playing the diplomacy and role-playing well

BTW, kudos to England for not calling for a Measured War violation and continuing to play the game as a man, as there is simply a rule violation. I would do the same myself and I am doing the same now, by trying to make what I think is right with only in-game measures.

Only thing is bothering me OOC is that the game is perverting in a regular MP pitboss. None of the aggressors actually made some story why they attack, what they want, neither they stated their vision about the possible and acceptable peace. Some dialog, discussion maybe... Just OOC bandy words. If we were going to play it this way, and the sheer land, military power and teaming-up is the measure for success and rightness, I guess I was going to be quite more stronger at this point

While talking about Diplos and stories, Neandor, you, as the main critique for Russia's intervention in the Mongol-Chinese war and worrying about the lost diplo-spirit, what is your opinion on the Vikings never actually posted a single story post in the whole game?


You are right that everyone have his own judgement, and mine is this that

1. I must honor my agreement with England, by helping them fight their aggressors

and

2. A major world power is crippled in a well planned conspiracy, so I cannot just wave away with hand and don't bother about it. If now we let this pass, no one will be safe from now on. If a mighty nation as the English can do nothing about defending their homes, what about a smaller nations? Of course they will support the one, who is trying to give the world some security

In fact, if we look in pure game terms, I am far better now, being at number one, and one of my direct competitors - England - being hopelessly crippled. Also I was going to be far better with keeping my warm relations with France and the Vikings as your trio is the strong of the day and we even were going to be the "Magnificient Four" who can dictate our will to the whole world. Alas, this is how I feel and this is the situation

And last, I agree with you, that we all have to accept each others judgment, so please, accept mine.

[/OOC]

It is more the Inca who are arguing the fair play line in this OOC thread I guess, not so much Russia and the DA did kick start the discussion, although I do agree the DA are being pretty good about it all.

There has not been a rule violation unless it is ruled on. I do agree on solving the issues IG.

The game is far from being a regular game

I think it poor form to raze mature cities regarding your actions in Mongolia but that's my judgement; and I accept that your judgement is different

Note that the Vikings are VERY active behind the scenes with PM's - as are many other non-posting civs. It's not against the rules to not post, it just effects the voting and so it is their choice and, dare I say, judgement

The amazing thing is that all your (plural) conspiracy theories about our alliance are totally wrong and it is the actions of many nations that has caused the alliance to become more solid - through necessity as France pointed out.

[France (DoE)]

Thx!

[Robert]

Time to Vote!
We vote for the happenings of this thread: Story Thread 6

You can vote right here (please read instructions below first)

Voting ENDS April 11th end of the day

1. go to the site
2. click your civilization name
3. fill out the password you once selected in the civ-picker (the original password of your DoE account at Apolyton)
4. Vote!

You have to award EXACTLY 20 points in both categories or you can't submit.
You can give comments to every individual civ.

This is what the rules say about voting:

After every month all players are invited to vote on the stories and role playing of all players.
Using a special web application a total of 20 'points' can be assigned, with a max of 5 points per player.

The 2 categories:
- Story Telling
Story telling is about how a player tells the story of his civilization and how he communicates with other leaders. How he handles his characters, shows the relation between story and in-game actions, explains the behaviour hof his civ, includes graphics and images, is able to entertain it's readers, etc.

A great part of the fun of a diplo game is the creation of an amazing story thread. This contains everything from national epics to diplomacy, newspaper articles to lies, text, screenshots and images. A player gets votes for storytelling for their contribution to the story thread. There are no rules as to what marks out a good contribution - we all have different tastes - what is too much detail for one person, may be exactly what another person values, some people will give more votes to one brilliant piece than to someone who produces lots of mediocre material, someone else will value quantity more. When voting its simple - give people votes if you personally enjoy their contributions.

- Role Playing
Role Playing is about how the in-game actions and the tone of his messages reflect the role of the player. Is the fascist dictator really playing as a fascist? Does it make sence that the fanatic orthodox jewish leader has an alliance with the fanatic orthodox buddhist leader? Is the peaceful friendly leader really friendly and peaceful to his neighbours? In short: do the actions of a player compare to the story role he assigned to himself.

The definition of a diplo game is "A Diplomacy Game is a game in which all players lead their civilization as if they're leading a real nation". Under 'role-playing' people are given votes for the degree to which they do this. Is there a consistency and belieability about the actions of that civ - its in-game actions, its diplomacy, what it says about itself. What nature a civ has is up to the player to decide and to evolve as the game progresses - but they get votes for the believability and consistency of this, and the interest it gives to the game. If you act as if you are 'playing a game', you won't get many votes; but if you can give the rest of us the impression your nation actually exists, you deserve to get lots.
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Per month all points a player receives in both categories will be calculated.
Based on this a score list will be created per category.
The #1 on that score list will receive X scorepoints. (X = the number of civs in the game). The #2 will receive X-1, etc.

The rest of the score-explanation only uses examples to get the point through, but is too much to place here. Read it in the first post of this thread.
This all comes down to the following:

Based on the scorepoints everybody received in a month, a ranking can be made for that month, per category.
The #1 on that ranking receives 18 gamepoints, the #2 17 gamepoints, the #3 16 gamepoints, ..... the #18 gets 1 gamepoint.
The sum of all gamepoints for both categories for all months determines the winner.

Good luck!

[Germany (DoE)]

EDIT

[Germany (DoE)]

The turn just flipped as I was playing (pressed enter prematurel) but I did not move after this point - was only doing micro stuff by then anyway. So I just bailed out... can't believe all the turns were done!all

Actually with the AP vote Neander is now at peace for 10 turns with all kingdoms (except non-Christian Arabia)

So I might play my turn soon.

[England (DoE)]

Keep in mind that I also protested when Russia, China & Japan jumped on Mongolia...