Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread]

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Yea Japan stay out of the game or we will have to do another reload

I can wait, its no biggie. Anyway, I am going to sleep soon, so please keep the game paused until tommorow. Hopefully there will be more folks around during the day tommorow and we can get back underway

I will post when I wake up/am available to play.

[Native America (DoE)]

I am quite confused (easily enough done, admittedly) at this point about who is at war with whom in my hemisphere. Could we get some confirmation of what, exactly, is the status of the "war" there at this point? I'm not easily able to conduct any diplomacy under what could truly be described as the "fog of war" here!

[Aztecs (DoE)]

OK what happened is:

Ottoman move: capture Miami with entire army, Havana still owned
++++++ next turn

Aztec move: no attacks, but army at standby, declare war in ORG thread (as screen locked, goal: to make sure turn order is secured)
American move
Ottoman move: peace with Americans (so I read)

If the Ottoman - American peace is true and finalized, then I also offer peace. And then turn order does not have to be ensured.

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

American - Ottoman Peace is not finalized there is much business to discuss between us as Americans have many more demands as I understand it.

Aztec, please login and unpause the game and either DoW or... not DoW and relinquish turn order. I do not acknowledge turn order if you have not DoWed yet. I am saying publicly that I will NOT consider it a doublemove and I disavow any right to do so. If you login and unpause, in next 10 mins I will login and play as normal as I still have not been able to even get in the game. If you DoW you get first position. If the turn ends with no Aztec DoW then there are no "positions".

I will wait 20 mins and then go back to sleep. I will post again when going back to sleep. If I go back to sleep please pause after playing anyone who plays so I can play when I get up.

[Native America (DoE)]

This is getting silly. You've been notified of a DoW. The fact that the mechanics of the game have prevented completion shouldn't matter. You act like this is a game governed by laws and argued in court. If this is how the game proceeds, I have no intention of getting involved in it again.

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

@ Natives - I was fine with the ORG thread DoW while Aztec were locked in Diplo screen. I understood why they were doing it. But sticking with that after being able to play your turn just seems like tactics to me, like trying to continue to force me to play in the last 2 hours of tunr (like now), without any of the consequences (like war weariness for example). And natives, if your around, could you please unpause the game after yelling at me?

OK what happened is:

Ottoman move: capture Miami with entire army, Havana still owned
++++++ next turn

Aztec move: no attacks, but army at standby, declare war in ORG thread (as screen locked, goal: to make sure turn order is secured)
American move
Ottoman move: peace with Americans (so I read)

If the Ottoman - American peace is true and finalized, then I also offer peace. And then turn order does not have to be ensured.

For clarification, Aztec, after you logged in and said your were stuck in diplo screen, you logged in later and ended your turn. If you wanted to preserve turn, order, why didn't you DoW then? I am confused about that...

Anyway, it seems to me that you have got to either DoW to preserve turn order, or give up turn order. Announcing you want to preserve turn order is all well and good for people feeling chivalrous, especially when you are locked in a diplo screen, but not when you have actually had an opportunity to login DoW and play.

At any rate, as a former wartime opponent once said to me. "Announcing that you want to reserve first position in war does not make it so, first position is determined by the rules, not by 'calling it'. "

Anyway, reading the log it seems what is happening now is...

Aztec try to move but locked in diplo screen
Aztec move - end turn
Americans move - end turn
Turkey try to move but locked in diplo screen

So now it is Turkey's move. If Aztecs want to login for the limited purposes of unpausing the game so I can play, and Declaring War to preserve turn order then fine. If not, then I will toddle off back to bed and wait tommorow for someone else to be online the same time as me (NOT Japan ) to unpause. But I think this situation of 'calling' first move without DoW is just not going to work. Either DoW or don't. That's my thinking.

I notice Natives and Aztecs are still online BTW... unfortunately neither has logged in to unpause

[Russia (DoE)]

I can now unpause. Or the Aztecs will unpause and declare/not declare?

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Aztecs are still online. So obviously they read my first message that I was not recognizing the provisional DoW after they had a chance to login and play. It was fine for a 'lock-in diplo screen situation' but not after... And surely they read my 2nd message basically repeating that. So I say go ahead and unpause. If Aztecs dont DoW before I login then I consider there to be no war and thus no turn-order.

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Sorry Russia NVM, let Aztecs have a few hours to think about it, I dont want hard feelings or people quitting because they think thigs are getting "silly" as Natives said

I'll just go to bed and see you guys tommorow

Good Fight, Good Night

[Russia (DoE)]

Yes, Azteca - you can login even now and play before the Ottomans - you dont have to keep turn order with the USA, because you two are not in war.

The Ottomans are right about you have to choose if you declare or you dont declare war. From what I heard, there is much to bargain before a lasting peace is achieved between Turkey and USA, and it can just not happen if the two parties insist on their demands. So if you want to declare war, do so now, or otherwise the Ottomans are free to play wherever they want in the turn timer, as they are already at peace with the USA.

[Russia (DoE)]

OK, I'm leaving it like this then and leaving (pun intended)

[Aztecs (DoE)]

** This is getting ridiculous. I declared war period..

** I don't log in after the Ottoman because then he claims that I am second in turn order next turn, as I was the last to log in.

** Now he pauses it, so tomorrow morning he has first order.. (as he doesn't acknowledge my declaration of war (didn't know that option exists) )

** So that would mean he has first order anyway. I don't recognize this!


(and I am starting to get a bit annoyed here.. it seems the game is fought via game rules, not in the game itself...)

First there is a ruling that in fact the reload would have been implemented as I proposed, but sadly that was not possible (well that can happen, no problem).
This way the Ottoman player escapes from loosing Miami, 6 galleons, cannon and riflemen. And now he plays these kind of game rule tricks..

Could someone else please unpause the game?

[Aztecs (DoE)]

Let me make it clear:

Ottoman, if you play first next turn, after my DoW, I'll call a double move.
The DoW was issued before your move this turn.

(I sure hope this whole mess doesn't start over again)

[Russia (DoE)]

To my understanding, you Azteca can log in now, DoW actually for the record, as the Ottomans did not loged in yet for this turn. Or I am wrong?

[Russia (DoE)]

Oh, I just saw the Ottomans did played, so this is no longer an option.