Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread]

[OzzyKP]

Ottomans, you aren't helping the game move on past wounded feelings. Please cut it with the attitude. Let's find a good 5 on 5 on 5 split we can make and go forward with the game.

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Let us speak plainly, "balance" is irrelevant. "Fairness" is irrelevant. The whole point of this is to preserve the game and restore the "fun" to those who claim that it has left the game. Turkey will fight to the death, no matter the odds, no matter the challenge, and it will always be fun for me. So I don't care how many allies I have or don't have or what the so-called "balance" is. I think Russia is the same way. So dont worry about making it balanced for me.

We MUST structure the alliance so there is an obvious lopsided bias in favor of the ones who will complain and be crybabies if they don't have a big advantage. Everyone knows that's Axis so just stack the deck in their favor and be done with it. I am dead serious. We are never going to agree on balance. The only way the Axis players won't quit is if they have an indisputable advantage. So what I suggest is put America, Inca, England and Japan on Democrats... put Russia, Turkey, and Mali as Communists... and put the rest on Axis, and lets go. That way Axis has Combustion, plenty of oil, and an overwhelming advantage, so there can't be anymore complaining. Plus, even with all that they will still get thrashed because they suck

Russia already won, this is for fun, so let's just have fun... I mean I was always having fun, but we need to put the most meat on the team where people feel like they have to be winning to have fun. Seriously... does any non Axis object to this?

[LzPrst]

ok, here goes my votes (India)

China partition
Yes

Zulu Partition
Yes


Alliance Option 3


Enforced Peace option 4



Discussing alliance distribution is futile as we will never agree on what is fair, and if we do, it is likely that a nation may end up in an alliance they do not want to be in which may have all kinds of unexpected and unbalanced results.

Just a few comments on my own situation: Count me out when it comes to strength in alliance balancing if we do end up with that option (to me it sounds very unnatural and illogical). India is a nation that has spent everything on war against 2 superior enemies in two extremely costly wars.

[Arabia2 (doe)]

This is not propaganda.. I know what i'm talking about, but you don't really. Me drafting 30 inf? have you checked my cities? I have one above pop6 and that's my capital.. and if I draft 30 then you 300. I'm making as much money as you? it's because you are not doing right.. but what if you start doing it.. you must feel that it's not normal that you do about the same as Arabia .

[Russia (DoE)]

the problem is that the Axis now is relatively strong, but they lack in science. They will have hard time to get airforce, tanks, mechinf.. if ever.

You, shameless sandy humbug - how you can say such thing when ANY of you three - Neandor, Viking and Arabia make more money than me or at least as much as I do? Mongolia, Mali and Ottomans combined must be making around your income. Come on, save us this propaganda It is Russia who have Ministry of the Propaganda and counter- espionage.

[Russia (DoE)]

Thanks for the flattering, but I take it just as flattering, not a real argument

India has no infantries, that's the Arabian army

Oh, come on! Just 3 pages back you said you upgraded 20 rifles to Infantries for India. Where they go? Are they all dead already?

Arabia have - how much? 10? - cities and India have 5-6 - drafting 5 rifles each nation each turn and using your income for upgrades can give you 30 infantries in 3 turns! WTF? I have 40 right now! Not that if need be I cant double them in 2-3 turns, but come on - you are not as bad as you describe yourself.

Me being 100 and England being 40 is funny too. (or again the Arabian specialty of disunity in action? )

And yes, you are most probably right - we will never gonna agree. For now - thanks for the compliments. Also - I like challenges. The more challenging the fight, the more rewarding the win.

[America (DoE)]

Hahaha, oops. So, yeah, it is my preference that it will not be 30 turns So, No.

[OzzyKP]

You voted no and "this is my preference" for the peace option...

[America (DoE)]

You guys calling me a p&ssy?
Remember though, I just received a fairly big army from the Vikings, so I do have a rather decent military at the moment. But, yeah, not much production capability, so you're probably right in that I belong somewhere at the bottom With regards to alliances, I'll roll with whatever the majority wants, but I am leaning more towards just letting things go on without enforced alliances, because I think that the freedom to do weird stuff is fun. Then again, I'm sure I'll enjoy myself whatever happens

VOTE
CHINA PARTITION----------------------------------------------------
This is already happening, but just to make sure everyone is comfortable with it. Vote on whether you think it is appropriate for China to remain AI and have Japan, India, Mongolia, Russia, et al divide them up and eliminate them militarily.

Yes
No

ZULU PARTITION----------------------------------------------------
Someone logs in as the Zulu and gifts cities and units evenly between Israel and the Mali.

Yes
No


All alliance options assumes there is no Zulu or China. Even if people don't like the partition, they will still be AI and non-factors in the game. When voting for alliances and for peace options, please vote yes or no for each option, and then also indicate a preference for one. A winning option needs to have a majority accepting that option (voting yes) and a plurality preferring it.

ALLIANCE OPTION 1----------------------------------------------------

Axis (fascists):
Neandor-France-Viking-Arabia-India-Mongolia-Natives-America

Communists (or democrats):
Russia-Turkey-Inca-England-Japan-Mali

Yes
No


ALLIANCE OPTION 2----------------------------------------------------

Fascist Alliance:
Neandor-Arabia-Japan-Vikings-Egypt

Communist Alliance:
Russia-Native America-Ottomans-Mongolia-Mali

Democrat Alliance:
England-Inca-France-America-India

Yes
No


ALLIANCE OPTION 3----------------------------------------------------

The game continues organically from here with no enforced alliances.

Yes
No
This is my preference.


ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 1----------------------------------------------------

30 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 2----------------------------------------------------

20 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes
No


ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 3----------------------------------------------------

10 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes
No


ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 4----------------------------------------------------

No non-aggression pact. Continue as normal.

Yes
No

[Calanthian]

Vikings income came from at least two other nations sending gold to them.

True. Aztecs send them gold big time..

[Arabia2 (doe)]

few things to clarify:
Vikings income came from at least two other nations sending gold to them.
India has no infantries, that's the Arabian army
Russia has about 1000 hammer production per turn, Arabia has 150 figure..

Ofc I have no intention joining to Russia or England, the problem is that the Axis now is relatively strong, but they lack in science. They will have hard time to get airforce, tanks, mechinf.. if ever.
Russia is behind in science because they are researching obsolete techs and collecting money on upgrades. Once they really start researching they will catch up fast

bringing ratings here was a bad idea.. we wil lnever gona agree..

Actually I would say this:
Russia: 100
England: 40
Inca: 40
Neandor: 35
Viking: 25
Arabia: 30
Ottoman: 35
Japan: 15
India: 10
Natives: 30
America: 15


the rest are 10 or lower

But as I said we never gona agree

[OzzyKP]

With slightly modified ratings, combined this show very unbalanced picture:

Fascist Alliance:
Neandor-8 France-5 Arabia-5 Vikings-7 India-3 Egypt-2 = 30

Communist Alliance:
Russia-10 Native America-5 Ottomans-6 Mongolia-1 Mali-3 = 22

Democrat Alliance:
England-9 Inca-9 America-4 Japan-4 = 26

Give us the Israeli - but if they only promise not to betray us again!

I don't agree with your ratings either. Try this:

Fascist Alliance:
Neandor-8 France-5 Arabia-6 Vikings-7 India-3 Egypt-3 = 32

Communist Alliance:
Russia-10 Native America-5 Ottomans-6 Mongolia-1 Mali-3 = 25

Democrat Alliance:
England-8 Inca-8 America-2 Japan-4 = 22

We'll take India or Arabia.

And we've got 15 civs here to divide into 3 teams. We really should be aiming to give each alliance 5 civs.

[Russia (DoE)]

My military is all machine guns & destroyers.

Even so, you still have strong army. And this rating should take in to consideration technologies, income, land and potential too.

[Russia (DoE)]

With slightly modified ratings, combined this show very unbalanced picture:

Fascist Alliance:
Neandor-8 France-5 Arabia-5 Vikings-7 India-3 Egypt-2 = 30

Communist Alliance:
Russia-10 Native America-5 Ottomans-6 Mongolia-1 Mali-3 = 22

Democrat Alliance:
England-9 Inca-9 America-4 Japan-4 = 26

Give us the Israeli - but if they only promise not to betray us again!

[OzzyKP]

My military is all machine guns & destroyers.