Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread]

[Robert]

@India: There's some confusion over terminology. A 'double move' is not evil or bad or wrong. We do double moves all the time. It simply means moving twice without someone else moving in between. A double move is only bad when you're at war and one moves before the enemy had a chance to move

You did a double move which was not wrong or bad or evil.
But nonetheless it caused a possible problem to Japan. Which was in fact caused by himself b/c he didn't play the turn before.
But in fact it doesn't really matter who's to blame or not to blame (usually these things happen just by accident).

So if people say you did a double move, it's not an accusation but just stating the fact. I did 10 double moves in the past weeks for sure. We all do double moves

[India (DoE)]

You have not ended your turn. Check playyourturn.com, it seems you rarely end your turns.

[Japan (DoE)]

I played my turn when the clock was down to 13hrs. But I guess you dont check so you didnt know.

[India (DoE)]

the most recent save Japan is referring to has changed something cause I am 1 frigate in + and have as far as I could see in the event log, no record of destroying a Japanese ship.

and it is NOT a double move if you don't move during your turn!

I want to play on, but I also want to be sure that there is no wrongdoing on any part. no one should get a double move and the reload of the most recent save along with the swapping of the turn order seems to have caused exactly that...

My previous post can be seen above, extra emphasis added to show the point. I consider the matter closed as long as some clarity could be achieved.

Also, Japan has not played its turn yet with 7 hours left on the timer. Still plenty of time, but lets not make any more confusion and mistakes with this. Japan continues to go first and India goes 2nd in order to balance the benefit I got from Japan not playing his turn. It is what I have been saying all along as long as I can be certain that some unfairness is not created.

If anyone says anything more about me being dishonest or dishonorable they can shove their keyboard where the sun does not shine.

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

So Japan says play on, and India says what? I still can't tell whether India wants to reload or play on even after all that talking. Ugh a little frustrating... but hey that's how it goes I guess.

[India (DoE)]

nvm

[India (DoE)]

@ Japan
As said before, I did not know that you had not played your turn. Deception and dishonesty is for the story thread. Take my word at face value or call me a liar openly. It matters not for the game, but I do not appreciate the assumption that I am willfully cheating and lying about it.

How could I know you had not played your turn? Do you always check the org thread before you play? If I do not play the next 3 turns does that mean you double move against me 3 times? The game was paused for you and I did not log in after that, so I had nothing to do with you losing your turn. I checked playyourturn.com, saw the turn had ended, logged in and played my turn as usual. I followed all the rules and when you said you had missed a turn, I freely offered to swap the turn order giving you the same benefit I got by you not playing your turn. However, when there was a reload (there was, of the most recent save, though there was also some ambiguity related to it), it seemed to me that you had gotten both your turn and changed the turn order. Especially so since I could not see any sign of the sea battle in the event log, though it is entirely possible I missed it. I will check the logs again more thoroughly when I play my turn.

You losing your turn is not my responsibility, nor my fault. I have acted in the interests of fairness only. So stop your accusations. I did not double move against you, you missed your turn. There is a difference.

[Russia (DoE)]

Manly words, Japan

[England (DoE)]

I think the log is buggy sometimes. Like usually the log shows when I complete buildings, but I finished three this turn and nothing shows up in the log. It shows the building I built last turn, but nothing since then.

[France (DoE)]

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[Japan (DoE)]

I tiried to take my turn but i couldnt cuz of the diplo screen that was on when i tried to log on which then i posted i couldnt play and you knowingly or unkowenly double moved. It shows on my log that you sunk my ship. i want to play on cuz there is no use in crying over spilled milk.

[India (DoE)]

the most recent save Japan is referring to has changed something cause I am 1 frigate in + and have as far as I could see in the event log, no record of destroying a Japanese ship.

and it is NOT a double move if you don't move during your turn!

I want to play on, but I also want to be sure that there is no wrongdoing on any part. no one should get a double move and the reload of the most recent save along with the swapping of the turn order seems to have caused exactly that...

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

All I am looking for is a clear unambiguous statement from India and Japan that they:

A. Want to play on

or

B. Want to reload

Can India and Japan just clearly say which they want. And please pause the game until this is resolved.

[Japan (DoE)]

I tried to reload the game, but then the server crashed.
I'm far far away so give me some time to get things sorted out.
Maybe Japan can in the meanwhile post here when he can play. (in x hours from now*)

It may take me a couple of hours to get things running again

*now being the moment you post, Japan

Game's on again. Since India is cool with swapping turns again, I have just loaded the most recent save.

These are quotes from RP stating clearly that he tried a reload and it didn't work so he just loaded the game from the most recent save.

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Yes my understanding was that the reload was because of a crash on RP's CPU not anything related to the Japan-India war.

And I would like to repeat my earlier request that the game be paused and this issue be resolved BEFORE the next turn rolls. If not I will vehemently protest any reloading. As it is, a reload would be damaging and I should already protest it, but reloading to a point 4 or 5 turns back would just be really dissapointing.