New type of diplo game

[Babylon (DoD)]

OOC

Rome, there was an apostolic palace vote to cut trade with you. Sadly you are not a member since none of your people follow Hinduism, therefore you were probably unaware of the vote or the result. I think the Hindu clerics are calling you 'the heathen'. I was surprised that you didn't have any friends to defy the resolution - or maybe they all thought someone else would. But that is the explanation of the cut trade. (Back in character the great conclave would say that they asked you not to supply a rifle army to the Vikings - you could hardly not expect some recompense.)

[Babylon (DoD)]

OOC

Losing a major city by mistake is serious. It sounds like technically Rome did give it away, but unintentionally. I think we definitely ought to reload Rome's turn (no further back please) to sort this. When someone has just planted their tanks on your lawn (and the Eyptians probably do have tanks!) things look bad enough. You should at least have a fair chance to defend yourself. I know that this is a 'diplo-lite' game, and people are reluctant to reload, but there has got to be some sense of fairness at crucial game changing moments like this.

This is the lastest in a serious of wierd happenings in this game - Sumaria reported at least one, I had one, now this. Perhaps all of them are perfectly straightforward, but I've never seen this kind of thing before. Wierd.

[Rome (DoD)]

ooc: now I remember that you sent this message to you with the city included. I considered it to be a way to be sure that the message came through. I thought that I had removed the city from the list. Then I started to answer you, and have forgotten about the city. I have pressed the button, accepting the gift. I was in a hurry, so I didn't see that I did it after all....

simply returning the city will remove all my cultural output AND my Wall Street.
I would love it to reload, but I will accept it if people are against it.

@Babylon: ooc: that AP is a good answer to my question. And of course a great game mechanic to use against me.

[Rome (DoD)]

People of Hindustan,

I have told you many times that the deal I made with the Vikings to trade a Great Engineer for 6 rifles was made long before you were at war with them. It was never Rome's intention to support the Vikings against you. I even told you in advance about the deal when I learned about the war between you and the Vikings! (And I do hold the Vikings accountable for not telling me in advance about their purpose with these rifles, which now brought Rome into these troubles!)

You talk about this anti-Egyptian alliance I have formed, but I have never formed such an Alliance. Not even when I was at war with Egypt, as a young boy 2000 years ago. Later many nations offered me to follow me would I fight Egypt again, and I have refused every time because I did not want to lead Rome into war again. There are many letters in which I have made that explicit.

Why are you trying to set the Egyptians up against me?

Augustus

[Robert]

Finally home
It's not up to me to decide if we reload or not. Please other players let me know what you think, then deity must make the call.

If I look at PYT.com then we can reload before Rome entered the game. Then only Rome has to replay his last turn.

[deity]

Am extremely un available at the moment due to family stuff... just quickly reading this I would not be against a reload in this case to prevent Rome's accidental city gift.

[Sumeria (DoD)]

What is this nonsense we hear from Hindustan and Rome?

Sumeria has from its' very foundation been a pacifist nation that has remained neutral in all conflicts between her neighbours. Sadly she has been at war almost from the founding of Uruk. First the French attacked us, then the Mayan's attempted to steal our land and finally Hindustan attempted to profit from the blood of our young men by seizing a rightfully owned Sumerian city.

Never has Sumeria been at war with Rome, Egypt, Gondor or Mongolia and rightfully declined Hindustani demands that it should change that policy. Hindustan's attack upon the Celts was a vile act but nothing more than a diplomatic protest was lodged. The Viking attack on Hindustan, and any Roman involvement, were matters outside Sumerian influence, knowledge or interest.

What is this rubbish we hear from Rome, 'We are surrounded by all the biggest nations on earth, the Egyptians, the Gondorians and the Sumerians'? Sumeria is a small, weak and impoverished nation that cannot be compared to those others. By what measure could you suggest that Sumeria was one of the 'biggest nations on earth'?

Fight your wars my friends, yes I include Hindustan as we quickly made peace, but leave Sumeria out of your plots and ploys. Sumeria has never waged a war other than in self-defence and certain that justice was upon her side!

OOC. Reload Rome's turn as it is the only fair way and will also be the quickest.

[America (DoD)]

Game is now down, reload prior to Romes turn, city gifting in error changes the nature of the game too much.

[Robert]

Game is up and reloaded.

[Babylon (DoD)]

Augustus of Rome.

Yes we know that you armed the local mad man with the most advanced technology out of greed for an enginner rather than out of any higher motive. Nations can judge whether that makes it better or not. But the whole world knows that you handed this Roman rifle army to Viking control after their unprovoked, treaty-breaking attack on Hindustan. Yes you told us about it (once we were already desparately trying to defend against the mad beserking northern Vikings, but before the deal happened) and we asked you not to, or at least to delay until after the war. But instead you supplied the mad man who was tearing down the defences of our cities and pillaging our farms with the rifle army.

Now as you piss yourself when you might face a technological superior foe, you whine that you didn't expect that the Viking mad man might actually use the rifles! Tell that to the Celtic mothers and children who were slaughtered by your rifle-army when the Viking mad man burnt the ancient celtic city of Vienne to the ground. Tell that to the Hindu elephant riders and macemen defending the great shrine this day against that rifle-army, and the Celtic women and children trapped in the shrine fearing a massacre as at Vienne.

The gods offer paths for redemption, but only to those who acknowledge their faults.

[Babylon (DoD)]

The Sumarians.

Self proclaimed pacifist nation.

that just happens to be

the nation which has declared war more times than any other

and

the only nation which has exterminated another

and

it has extermined TWO!

But it has the best spin-doctors in the world, so that is ok!

[Babylon (DoD)]

OOC - I worry that the pausing and reloading, which I agreed with, might mean that the Vikings miss their turn. Its not their fault - they had to wait for me to play, and then did log in but found it paused. It looks like there is only 4 hours on the clock, if PYT is right. In fact there is Egypt, Rome and Vikings all to play and they shouldn't miss out. Any suggestions?

[Sumeria (DoD)]

Hindustan,

'My Friend', having attempted to sully Sumeria's good name by depicting her as some form of butcher state that declares wars upon a whim and seeks to 'exterminate' entire nations as some form of gay pastime let us look upon your own fine track record!

Without provocation you attacked Egypt seeking cheap lands when all their armies were in the north fighting Rome. When you saw that your little ploy was proving less successful than you had hoped and that, heaven forfend, you might actually have to fight you squealed like a stuck pig and beseeched Sumeria to open up another front against Egypt. When Sumeria refused and Rome retreated you ran home with your tail between your legs.

Your next 'brave' act was to attack Celtia, again with no provocation, despite them being the tiniest nation on the planet. You stole their capitol, their Holy Shrine and consigned them to the dustbin of history. It is true that Celtia still exists, if in name alone, but perhaps that has more to do with the fact that your 'brave' armies realised they might have to fight harder to capture the rest.

The 'heroics' of your fighting men knows no bounds for your next target were the Maya! A nation already reduced to but a pair of cities with whom you had no argument were assailed and their capitol taken. This 'brave' action was enabled only by the blood of countless Sumerian soldiers.

When Sumeria requested you to vacate the seized island you vacillated trying to gain time. When Sumeria's patience ran out terrible consequences were promised of what the mighty Hindi navy would do to our coasts and coastal cities. When the Sumerian Navy arrived off your coasts to discover that no such fleet existed and indeed no garrisons in your coastal cities a remarkable thing happened; Hindustan suddenly decided that we were friends again.

The weeping and wailing over the Viking's shows just how little stomach Hindustan has for a real fight. Always eager to get others to do your work for you Babylon has changed nothing but its' name since the dawn of time!

[Babylon (DoD)]

Fine words butcher of the Maya, exterminator of the French, who still pretends to be pacifist and employs the best spin-doctors.

Fine, but sadly untruthful words as those who were involved in the events you talk about know. Perhaps someone though will believe them. There are always fools in this world.

[Vikings (DoD)]

Fellow world-leaders, Ragnar has been visited in his sleep by Hindu himself and has seen the light.

From this day forward the Viking nation kneels to the will of Hindu and declares immediate peace with it's protectorate, Hindustan.