The Dance of Civilizations [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread Pt1]

[Rasputin]

The correct answer is: No, it should be 4 (check the rules)

4b. When 4 civs have advanced to the next age (ancient, classical, medieval, renaissance, industrial, modern, future) all techs of the age before the past age can be traded freely in a 1 tech for 1 tech trade without the need to spend vouchers. (If 4 players are in the medieval age, all techs of the ancient age can be traded freely, etc.)

Right now only techs from the prehistoric age can be traded.
- Settling
- Working
- Walking
- Waging War
- Building Barracks
- Climb hills
- Swimming
- Whining

Feel free to trade those techs

il l trade climbing hills for swimming any one in the market ?

[Rasputin]

notice i didnt comment o nthe score.. hehehehehehe

[Rome (DoC)]

The correct answer is: No, it should be 4 (check the rules)

4b. When 4 civs have advanced to the next age (ancient, classical, medieval, renaissance, industrial, modern, future) all techs of the age before the past age can be traded freely in a 1 tech for 1 tech trade without the need to spend vouchers. (If 4 players are in the medieval age, all techs of the ancient age can be traded freely, etc.)

Right now only techs from the prehistoric age can be traded.
- Settling
- Working
- Walking
- Waging War
- Building Barracks
- Climb hills
- Swimming
- Whining

Feel free to trade those techs

apparently I am fluent at whining. Any takers?

[Robert]

if not showing up, click here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/a/dip...=1254905047519

[mzprox]

What about giving everyone 1 ancient, 1 classical, 1 medieval.. etc and 5 future tech voucher.
It would work like this: the medieval voucher could be used to trade away any tech up to medieval (ancient or classical or med.) So the five future voucher could be used for any tech in any era.
Pros:
-It could facilitate techtrades. Now everyone saves their vouchers for the more expensive techs (and they should).


Cons:
-makes the administration a bit harder

[Rome (DoC)]

hmmmmm.... colory....

[Robert]

apparently it doesn't work in MSIE7.... but it does in Firefox.

[mzprox]

if not showing up, click here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/a/dip...=1254905047519

Do you have the data from 4000 BC or just from a bit earlier date by any chance?

[Rome (DoC)]

Now everyone saves their vouchers for the more expensive techs (and they should).

I don't agree with the "and they should"... If I can get a decided advantage over a neighbor by trading for a cheaper tech right now, that might tip the balance more than going for a trade based purely on tech value later on. Everyone is free to make their own mistakes while searching for their own perceived advantages, imho.

[Robert]

No, I got this from civstats, it doesn't go back any further

[mzprox]

Everyone is free to make their own mistakes

Sure They are..

Seriously it was just a recommendation/opinion: trading ancient techs (with vouchers) under the current system is not worth it.. But it would be great to see trades in the early ages thats why I think we should have those age specific vouchers.

[Robert]

Rate from>	China	Japan	Mexico	Canada	Total (sum avg)	Position	Score
month>	1|2|3|4 || avg	1|2|3|4 || avg	1|2|3|4 || avg	1|2|3|4 || avg
Rate for V
China	X	3|5|1|7 || 4	5|5|4|4 || 4.5	1|2|2|1 || 1,5	10	3	2
Japan	6|6|5|5 || 5,5	X	3|4|4|5 || 4	2|4|5|3 || 3,5	13	2	3
Mexico	4|5|3|2 || 3,5	7|7|6|4 || 6	X	7|7|4|6 || 6	15,5	1	4
Canada	2|4|4|2 || 3	2|4|3|3 || 3	1|3|2|6 || 3	X	9	4	1

- Every month every civ rates every other civ. (blue numbers)
- This results in an average rating (red numbers) over all months from civ X to civ Y
- These average ratings are added together (green numbers) (thus China gets: avg rating + avg rating of Mexico + avg rating of Canada = Total)
- Based on these totals every civ will get a #1 - #4 position
- Based on these positions every civ gets a score (purple numbers), the civ with the best position gains the best score.

This is a boring system since all months will be levelled in one huge big average score.
It's way cooler to award points per month so that good months and bad months jump out!

That's why we propose the following system:

Rate for>	China	Japan	Mexico	Canada
month>	1|2|3|4	1|2|3|4	1|2|3|4	1|2|3|4
Rate from V
China	X	6|6|5|5	4|5|3|2	2|4|4|2
Japan	3|5|1|7	X	7|7|6|4	2|4|3|3
Mexico	5|5|4|4	3|4|4|5	X	1|3|2|6
Canada	1|2|2|1	2|4|5|3	7|7|4|6	X
Month Average>	9|12|7|12	11|14|14|13	18|19|13|12	5|11|9|11
Monthly Position>	3 | 3 | 4 | 2	2 | 2 | 1 | 1	1 | 1 | 2 | 2	4 | 4 | 3 | 4
Total Score>	2+2+1+3=8	3+3+4+4=14	4+4+3+3=14	1+1+2+1=5
End Score>	2	4	4	1

NB: The 'rate from' and 'rate for' positions have switched between table 1 and table 2!!

Explanation:

- from left to right you see what rates civ X gives to civ Y. (ie. in month 1 Japan gives a 6 rating to China and a 3 rating to Mexico) (blue numbers)

- The ratings are added per month and a monthly average comes out. (red numbers) (ie. in month 1 China gains an avg rating of 4.3)

- This results in a position per civ per month based on the avg rating. In month 1 china gets a 2nd position, Japan a 1st position, etc.) (green numbers)

- Based on the monthly position every civ gets a score. In month 1 china gains 3 points, Japan gains 4 points, etc. (black numbers)

- The total score is the sum of all monthly scores. China gained 3, 4, 3 and 1 points for months 1,2,3 and 4. Total that's 11 points (purple numbers)
- The end score (orange number) is based on the total score. These can be compared to the scores in table 1!

The difference in the end between table 1 and 2 is that Japan in the 2nd table (new system) gains as much points as Mexico.
Japan gains an advantage of winning two monthly categories.
If everything would be averaged, Japan would get less points in the end.
With more civs and more months the differences will be bigger.
Bottom line is: The monthly scores become more important then the average score.

It's as if in a sport competition all goals would be summed together for the entire season, which would make the team with most goals win, or goals only summed together per match, which makes the team who wins most matches win.

 

Now every month has a winner in every category!