The Dance of Civilizations [Pitboss Diplomacy Game] [Setup Thread]

[Jeroen Schweitzer]

My thoughts on the lengths of posts etc.

I don't think you can split diplomacy and story, since both are intertwined. My story posts are always attempting to project a certian imagine, pursuade, encourage or intimidate other nations etc.

I suggest we don't have a limit, but review a month into it. However, we use the 'fair play' vote to extert and influcence. This 'fair play' vote is a new thing, and probably quite clever, but we haven't particularly defined it. So we keep the current idea for 'fair play' but perhaps rename it 'good gaming' or something like that, and have as one of the aspects of it explicitly, people appropriate use or abuse of the story thread. If folks don't like that idea, then we just make sure we write into the critieria for the story votes that teh votes are awarded for quality not just quantity, and people should not feel obliged to vote for someone just because they have made many posts, indeed if someone is posting too much or inappropriately you may want to deliberately not give them story votes.

Overall:
1. I don't think that splitting categories of posts will work.
2. I understand why Robert has suggested the limit becaause in previous conversations people have said they were put off by the number of posts, but if nobody who is going to play is making that point now, lets leave it and see.
3. Lets use voting to regulated abuse/over enthusiasm rather than fixed quotas.

I agree as well

[Jeroen Schweitzer]

6 Days and counting

I am in training

(will need it with all that experience stacked up around me)

[Jeroen Schweitzer]

Hi all!!

It's been great having a break from civ I can tell you! We (and I mean WE) really needed a respite.

AND we are off on Aug 18 on our next OS holiday... England, Italy, Greece, Dubrovnik, Scotland... a real dance of civs...

I've not read many posts but good that you finished BTP and now starting DOC.

What happened to Capo's mod?

Good luck all!

Maybe I can play the next pitboss game in 2010

PS Any chance I can get sent a BC4000 version of DOC that I could play on?

GREAT TIDINGS!

Hi deity,

good to hear you're doing good. I'd love to see you in the next game again.

Enjoy that holiday, sounds like a jealous-maker.

[The Priest]

I am in training

You can be my dog ...or was it a biatch?

[Toni]

Yes big thx to Robert for once again organizing a Diplo game. To Ozzy for making us a map, which i can't wait to see.

Let the Dance BEGIN!

[Jeroen Schweitzer]

You can be my dog ...or was it a biatch?

Don't make me get my pike

[Robert]

Ok, let's go with what The Priest said.
I understand that everybody agrees with the "8 vouchers, free tech trading techs of the age before the last age of the 4 tech leaders on a 1 against 1 trade base" thing.

I'll make the final list of rules somewhere during this weekend.
Ozzy, were you able to get your laptop working?

[OzzyKP]

Haven't figured anything out with the laptop yet. The sooner we start the better I think.

"8 vouchers, free tech trading techs of the age before the last age of the 4 tech leaders on a 1 against 1 trade base" What on earth does that mean?

[Toni]

I forgot to ask Ozzy, did you place huts as well? Maybe I missed or forgot something, but what system did you use to place the civs on their starting locations?

[Rempedaalops]

Yes, he placed huts, it's in one of the posts earlier on in this thread.

[Black Knight 427]

"8 vouchers, free tech trading techs of the age before the last age of the 4 tech leaders on a 1 against 1 trade base"

I'm lost.

[Robert]

a. 8 tech vouchers for everyone to trade any tech
b. techs from the age 2 ages before the age of te 4 tech leaders are free to trade
c. techs from #b can only be traded on a 1 against 1 base (ie. horseback riding for archery, not horseback riding AND potery for archery)

If the 4 tech leaders are in the Medieval age, techs of the ancient age can be traded freely. When they've advanced to te renescance, techs from the classical age can be traded freely.

Ozzy, if you can't get your laptop to work I can give you access to my servre through VNC. you'll be able to play through VNC, though it's not perfect. (VNC doesn't need to be installed)

[OzzyKP]

Yikes, I guess that's our best option, but damn...

I'll do it, but it might be better to try and find another sub for Hera...

As for the tech trade, again I'm not playing, but I don't see any reason to restrict the trades from the earlier age. I think it should just be open season.

[St Jon]

Hiya Deity!!!!!

1. Diplomacy and Story are both intertwined. Part of Diplomacy is Propaganda and a lot depends on 'he hates them so they will never attack me' con which is so important. Diplomacy is the most difficult category to judge as the really clever stuff goes on behind the scenes but nobody has to vote for 3 candidates in 1 month for every category.

2. Fair Play instead of Military is silly. It is almost like saying that I will get a point if I don't cheat for a month. If it limits inflammatory 'In-Game' Posts then it is equally foolish as I should be able to be as insulting as I wish 'In Character'! I do not know how you can eliminate insults on an ORG Thread but I reckon that we should all be adult enough not to behave badly.

3. Story Thread limits should not be imposed just a general decorum that idiotic 'I planted my first Farm' nonsense need be avoided.

4. Double-Move Rule including Turn BEFORE War will never work. We have had this discussion before and you can enforce it only up to MOD and ADV eras. I gave Cyber a perfect example of how you could conduct a naval invasion with Transports and Destroyers that could easily be carried out from such long range that no Double-Move on the preceding Turn could ever be proven or proved as wrong.

5. Tech Trades. Leave them as they were, 8 or 15, but no Voltans. Players went to the grave in BtP with Vouchers remaining so the main thing is keeping early game interest alive. If no other solution then make them free or banned regardless of era.

6. I still reckon an In-Game Vote on an OTT War is the best way. Early Game this is very important as making someone feel they have a year of hopelessness in front of them is a good way to lose Players.

[Toni]

We should definitely forbid the possibility of one player logging as the last one the prior turn, to take his turn and only to wait out the new turn to declare war to someone by moving again. This is a 100% cheat and should be banned immediately.

In short: EXAMPLE

Ban the following:

Civ B Moves
Civ A Movies (The one who plans to attack)
Turn Flips
Civ A Moves (Thus double moving and getting an unfair advantage)
Civ B Moves

P.S If i remember correctly the above was done by Capo vs Greece in the last Diplo. And you all know what a mess that started.....