Beyond the Pit [Pitboss Diplomacy Game] [OOC Chat Thread]

[MMC]

Also, Anyone noticed how we now have 1125 posts in the Story thread?

[Pitboss Vikings]

is 1125 a magical number....

[Pitboss Korea]

By fake war I mean either pretending you are at war, or declaring war and not actually fighting to make people think you are at war, or actually going to war in a limited fashion to lead people to believe you are at war. Nothing like anything you've described.

All the wars you described were ACTUAL wars fought for bad reasons.

[Pitboss Vikings]

We were at war , it was jsut a planned move by move war..

We both knew where and what was to occur and even the end was planned.

It meant we knew what losses were necessary to ensure the war was real to al lviewers.

One Warrior lost be Japan was the losses.

Some pilaging was losses to me

[Pitboss Persia]

Did I missunderstand something or does Khmer have access to the administration civic ? :O

[The Capo]

Originally posted by Pitboss Vikings
We were at war , it was jsut a planned move by move war..

We both knew where and what was to occur and even the end was planned.

It meant we knew what losses were necessary to ensure the war was real to al lviewers.

One Warrior lost be Japan was the losses.

Some pilaging was losses to me

Yes, this is exactly what I thought you meant, and in my mind is the "WORST" variation of the possible meanings of "fake war." This type of thing should not be allowed, and I know it must be admitted, but there is no way this is realistic. If this were to happen, ever, it would be the sickest and most twisted thing any national leader could agree to, let alone two of them. I am very disappointed in you for this Ras, I would expect this out of a cheater like BLACK DRAGON, but I thought you were better than this.

Sorry if nobody else agrees with me, but this is the height of f*cked up. I can't believe you would do something like that, especially you.

[Pinchak]

Oh yes Capo... you will find that "cheating" is VERY subjective apparently. Even to the point where the exact same action performed by two different player will be called cheating in one instance and fair play in another.

[The Capo]

Well I personally move that all military votes for the Vikings and Japanese be revoked for any months that this "war" occured in, and if there is overlap they should lose votes for both months.

Anyone second this? In fact they should probably lose story votes as well.

[MMC]

Originally posted by The Capo


Yes, this is exactly what I thought you meant, and in my mind is the "WORST" variation of the possible meanings of "fake war." This type of thing should not be allowed, and I know it must be admitted, but there is no way this is realistic. If this were to happen, ever, it would be the sickest and most twisted thing any national leader could agree to, let alone two of them. I am very disappointed in you for this Ras, I would expect this out of a cheater like BLACK DRAGON, but I thought you were better than this.

Sorry if nobody else agrees with me, but this is the height of f*cked up. I can't believe you would do something like that, especially you.

Ermm.... can someone please explain to me why carefully planning something is considered cheating? Because I can name at least one other instance where a war has been planned to the last detail, and Capo may not like it when he finds out who did the planning and execution...

So far I count two instances this has happened (there may be more, but I personally only know of two). 4 civs have been involved (and all were in agreement with the plans of their respective 'enemies'), and the only person so far to have complained is Capo... specifically a 5th uninvolved party.

[Pitboss Korea]

Originally posted by MMC


Ermm.... can someone please explain to me why carefully planning something is considered cheating? Because I can name at least one other instance where a war has been planned to the last detail, and Capo may not like it when he finds out who did the planning and execution...

So far I count two instances this has happened (there may be more, but I personally only know of two). 4 civs have been involved (and all were in agreement with the plans of their respective 'enemies'), and the only person so far to have complained is Capo... specifically a 5th uninvolved party.

I can. First of all nobody is saying "carefully planning something" is cheating. You can carefully plan a post and that isn't cheating, and you can carefully plan foreign policy and that isn't cheating, you can carefully plan to create friction between other countries and even that isn't cheating. But carefully planning (and I wouldn't even call it carefully planning otherwise we wouldn't know about it) a fake war IS cheating. Now, if you are saying that ANOTHER fake war has occured you should discuss it, but before you jump the gun I'd advise you to UNDERSTAND the differences between what happened here and what may or may not have happened in whatever incident you are talking about. The problems with this, and the reason it is cheating are as follows;

1) BOTH belligerents in this war knowingly, and willfully COLLUDED to bring the war about. They PLANNED out (in unison) which tiles and units would be destroyed TOGETHER. Clearly this is not a war, but a coreographed and PRETEND theater.

2) In order to accomplish this, and necessary to accomplishing this goal (also the only possible BENEFIT) of this goal, is a fake storyline and fake reports within the story threads thus gaining votes under false pretenses, votes that they SHOULD NOT HAVE.

3) Also an auxilery to this would be the MILITARY points that they both (I'm sure) receieved based on FALSE PRETENSE.

If you seriously have an example of this thing occuring in another situation, and if you think simply dropping MY name and saying I wouldnt' want to hear it is going to bother me, go ahead. I do want to know what you are talking about, but my point is this; don't be an idiot. You should UNDERSTAND what we are talking about right now, simply fooling somebody or perhaps giving someone the wrong idea is not the same thing as what Japan/Vikings did here. So I am not concerned about your epiphany, because I never did this, and if my allies did it I would certainly be interested in knowing about it.

So by all means MMC, enlighten me.

[Robert]

Let's nog start a huge fight about it.
I agree with The Capo that it's not really good form to collect military votes from a war that never happened.

But I don't think that starting a huge debate about it will fix anything.
Everyone knows what he voted for and everyone can keep this fake-war info in their heads when they vote next time.

Personally I think that the entire "My army is huge and going to conquer the world" game Japan played was impressing. I really thought for a long time that Japan was really impressing. I have no problems giving votes for that.

But please shy away from reporting unit-wins or losses that never happened.

[Pitboss Vikings]

you will notice in my story threads i posted very little detail of unti losses. etc


I kept the story thread filled with what did occur.

Battle lines were formed , strategy ws put in palce.

But this is another good reason to post PMs so you all actually know what going on.

[Pitboss Persia]

Well, next time wage a real war. This was really lame.

But to be honest, i suspected that. Well, not really that. But the strategy posts you made really looked like they were only made for getting votes. They didn't look real. Plus it would have been stupid to post your stategy for your ennemy to see.

[Pitboss Vikings]

wel lwe lal know no real strategy in the war stuff. just send the most units and you win.

Doesnt matter if you attack from south east or west.

only acriss rivers and defence bonsues need to be taken into account

[Pitboss Rome]

Again, I personally have no problem with a fake war, especially since there is no rule against it... creating some kind of punishment after the fact or adding a new rule mid game are both unacceptable actions in my opinion unless we have 100% agreement, and I can tell by the posts that there is not even 50% agreement.



In fact it being faked was more impressive than it being real (since if it was real it would have been a lame war).