Rah's saturday game III

[rah]

continued from other thread

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[kbarrett]

Gibsie:

You need to consider whipping less. Emergencies only. Or at least have a damned good reason to whip.

You are better off growing to the happiness limit, and then turning off growth by emphasizing production and creating specialists.

I'll whip if I fear losing a wonder, or really need a given unit or improvement absolutely right now ... or I'll do it when losing to screw with my enemy, but I won't do it lightly.

Another thing Dom will do, if the opportunity presents itself, is grab a neighbor's capital early. If you can do a Quecha, Impi, or Skirmisher rush early, and grab a capital city at size 3 or 4, you will be way ahead ... In fact, it is easily worth making 6 or so Quechas, and just over-running someone's capital before 3000BC.

[EyesOfNight]

Quecha rushes don't work against anyone with any skill. We were doing those back in the first days of the game. Then it was the Egyptian war chariot rush until it got nerfed. Rushes don't work in Civ4 vs anyone decent.

[Robert]

Well, then that's a good thing, I guess.

[EyesOfNight]

Yes, it's a good thing that games are impossible to end militarily unless someone stops building units and thus they degenerate into mass axeman+catapult stacks being thrown at each other without either side able to get a lead.

[Robert]

There's more to civ then war.

[kbarrett]

Rushes do work against some other players.

They also work against someone attempting a rush ... as Dom is likely to do.

[EyesOfNight]

Well in the case to Civ4 there is tons of war it just doesn't go anywhere. If you want to survive vs someone good you have to go massive stacks of catapults and axemen and the game degenerates into nothing. If you sit there and just build you're going to lose. It's a horribly and fatally flawed system and they have yet to fix it.

[Dominae]

I think EyesOfNight is trying to tell us not to have fun...

[Robert]

Try playing diplogames

[EyesOfNight]

If you have to play diplogames to get the game to function even remotely correctly, then it's a flawed system. End of story. No competitive game in history survived without 1v1s being viable...and Civ4 by the looks of the Civ4 lobby and its ladder is not surviving.

[Pinchak]

The ladder is flawed because it tends toward one type of game (smaller map, 120 turns, etc...). As with anything, if you play a specific type of game long enough, one stratagy usually emerges as dominate.

If you want to see the variation of working stratagys, break out of the "inland sea, 120 turn" mold.

[Pinchak]

Oh, and I almost forgot...

Is there a game tonight? What time?

Send me the IP please, I am hoping to be able to play tonight.

[Gibsie]

I might play as a birthday treat. My life is exciiiiiting

[rah]

I'm awake. Yes there will be a game tonight.
EON you should join us. You might *gasp* have a little fun. People do get eliminated.

OK GUYS, I'll start nailing down a start time but it will be a bit but hopefully not too long.