The HOTW VII - Setup Thread IV - We Talk Too Much

[OzzyKP]

[deity]

My gaming computer is going through some sort of check routine which I don't want to stop. I should be online by game start. (Can't install Civ on this PC)

[deity]

Originally posted by CyberShy
Last 40 posts in this thread:

14 - CyberShy
08 - Ozzy
06 - Toni
04 - Deity
04 - Kuno
03 - Mike
01 - KBarrett

Most active sp.. uh poster: CyberShy 8) (I'm still ill, really!)

I'm pretty sure I posted more than that Cyber

[Robert]

Only talking about posts in this thread

[kbarrett]

So is the next HOTW7 started today?

[Robert]

The next session for HOTW7? yes.
The first session for HOTW8? no.

[Toni]

Wow can't believe that we have one more session to go!



Very possible that next session will be our last one, HOTW8 here we come

[KunojiLym]

Can we delay the last sessionfor one week? >_> <_<

[Robert]

yes, just one week!
You don't want to end the session without Kuno and me, won't you?

[KunojiLym]

Looks like I'll be unavailable for 2 weeks instead of 1.... underestimated the time I'd be spending overseas. :/

[Robert]

[OzzyKP]

Well I certainly don't want to take two weeks off....

[Robert]

Can you grab someone's computer for the 2nd week, Kuno?

[Toni]

Also this delays the start of HOTW8 , two weeks is a bit too much for me as well.

[OzzyKP]

Ok, I did a very rough tally of objective points for HOTW7 so far.

Bulgaria 54.5
Arabs 34.5
Choson 17
India 14.5
China 12
Vikings 11.5
England 8
Kushren 7
Egypt 7
Inca 5.5
Celts 4

Again, this is just a rough estimate. But I want to make the point that even though there is a distinct power imbalance in the game, the outcome is far from certain, and under our point system the outcome can never be certain.

There are three subjective categories. 11 voters for each category. For each category each voter must rank civs (excluding their own) 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. For which that civ gets 3, 2, or 1 points respectively. So a unanimous 1st place choice for any category earns that person 30 points (since the person can't vote for themselves).

Now we can't know how people will vote, but let us assume for the moment that Nolan was an amazing storyteller and roleplayer in this game and was a universal number 1 choice. Let us further assume that she was the most spectacular, cunning, manipulative diplomat in the game and was also the clear number 1 choice for that category.

Finally, lets assume that Toni got his dominate position in the game purely from a superior skill with the game mechanics and wasn't given any points at all from diplomacy or story telling.

After calculating that, the top two places look like this:

Nolan - 67
Toni - 54.5

Now lets assume Toni, in his skillful playing had a slight edge in the military category voting. But lets also say that while Nolan wasn't a huge military power, she successfully defended herself from an invasion, and at another point successfully won a small border war with another small neighbor and won a city.

So even if Toni wins this category gets 22 out of 33 points possible. And Nolan gets 11 out of 33 possible. Then Nolan would WIN THE GAME.

Wrap your brain around that. A civ as small and Egypt could WIN this game if a person exhibited dominant diplo and storytelling skills.

All the people who have been complaining about Toni and I running away with the game I suspect have either forgotten about the point system altogether or they just didn't realize how important this is. Sending up the spaceship doesn't win someone the game, being a comprehensive diplogamer is what wins someone the game. This includes the actual objective gameplay BUT ALSO subjective categories such as diplomacy, story telling/roleplay, military accomplishments.

So EVERYONE has a shot in this game, and any diplogame that uses this point scheme. I really, really, want to impress this point on everyone. At no point in this game should anyone have felt like they were just going through the motions waiting for it to end. Even Nolan who is 3rd from last in terms of objective points has a chance to actually WIN this game.

Diplogames mean that no one is ever out of the game unless they give up.