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[OzzyKP]

More approach to war

[16:42] Crostothlay:
[16:42] Lazer KP:
[16:43] Lazer KP: i posted my great library plot too, heh
[16:44] Crostothlay: woohoo >
[16:46] Crostothlay: hey! he called me alexander, not ivan!
[16:46] Lazer KP: hehe
[16:46] Crostothlay: *ivan's ego gets bruised*
[16:46] Lazer KP: well, Robert is very, very old
[16:46] Lazer KP: he forgets things
[16:47] Crostothlay: lol
[16:47] Lazer KP: over 4,000 years old i hear
[16:47] Crostothlay: damn, he's an old coot
[16:48] Lazer KP: heh
[16:49] Lazer KP: did he send you a PM too or just me?
[16:49] Crostothlay: haven't checked
[16:49] Lazer KP: ok
[16:51] Crostothlay: yep, he sent the same message
[16:51] Lazer KP: ok
[16:53] Crostothlay: and cyber posted a reply to ya
[16:53] Lazer KP:
[16:55] Lazer KP: i think we're gonna have a fight on our hands
[16:55] Crostothlay: heheh
[16:56] Crostothlay: what about the spanish proposal?
[16:56] Crostothlay: (not that ivan would consider it)
[16:56] Lazer KP: seems he wants to get in on our alliance
[16:57] Crostothlay: mmmmmm
[16:57] Lazer KP: naw
[16:57] Lazer KP: that's too much
[16:57] Crostothlay: heheh, agreed
[16:58] Crostothlay: though, if more and more folks join the alliance, it'd count as a diplomatic victory, maybe?
[16:58] Lazer KP: its already a bit slanted in our favor
[16:58] Lazer KP: hehe
[17:53] * Crostothlay composed a hot-headed open letter
[17:53] Lazer KP: hehe, nice
[17:53] Crostothlay: not posted yet though
[17:53] Lazer KP: post post!
[17:54] Lazer KP: did you see cyber edit his letter?
[17:54] Crostothlay: he did?
[17:54] Lazer KP: yea, hehe
[17:54] Lazer KP: he changed it all around
[17:54] Lazer KP: i'm gonna poke fun at that when i respond. Say we received two different letters, hehe
[17:54] Crostothlay: heheh
[17:55] Lazer KP: but first I want to put Chandragupta on the throne
[17:55] Crostothlay: mmmm
[17:56] Lazer KP: I still need to decide how Chanakya is gonna dispose of the current line.
[17:56] Crostothlay: arsenic
[17:56] Lazer KP: heh
[17:56] Lazer KP: i just love chanakya
[17:57] Crostothlay: heheh
[17:57] Lazer KP: too bad he can't last all game
[17:57] Lazer KP: i'd never get bored of his scheming
[17:57] Crostothlay: heh
[17:57] Lazer KP: i'm gonna stick with him a while though. up through the beginning of ashoka's term
[17:58] Crostothlay:
[17:58] Lazer KP: then ashoka will realize he is a threat and off him
[17:58] Crostothlay: heh
[17:59] Lazer KP: i'll have him die in a fire like he really did
[17:59] Crostothlay:
[17:59] Lazer KP: so far what i'm doing is fairly historical. he disposed of the ruler he worked for and put chandragupta on the throne
[18:06] Lazer KP: ah, i've got an idea
[18:07] Crostothlay: mmm?
[18:07] Lazer KP: he'll blow them up
[18:07] Crostothlay: but there ain't gunpowder >_>
[18:07] Lazer KP: that's just what they want you to believe
[18:07] Crostothlay:
[18:09] Lazer KP: the Nine Unknown Men kept the information secret for centuries
[18:09] Lazer KP: or will
[18:09] Lazer KP: when they emerge
[18:09] Crostothlay: mmmmmmm
[18:09] Lazer KP: but more on that later
[18:10] Crostothlay: heh
[18:17] Crostothlay: posted, now breakfast
[18:22] Crostothlay: back; whatcha think?
[18:22] Lazer KP: damn you sleep quick and you eat quick too
[18:22] Crostothlay: lol
[18:22] Lazer KP: its good
[18:23] Lazer KP: he did send a missionary to Novogorod, right?
[18:23] Crostothlay: didn't personally see it, but there's no other way that judaism coudl have spread there after confucious had already made a foothold there
[18:24] Lazer KP: yea
[18:37] Crostothlay: also a note: ivan the terrible was the first to be caleld tsar rather than grand prince
[18:37] Lazer KP: ah cool
[18:37] Crostothlay: in the game, therefore, ivan is the first to refer to russia as 'the russian empire'
[18:37] Lazer KP: cool
[18:49] *** "Crostothlay" signed off at Mon Mar 27 18:49:46 2006.

[OzzyKP]

Not related to the war, but I just love this anyways:

Session Start (LazerKP:LBPBumout): Fri Mar 24 21:16:00 2006
[21:16] Lazer KP: Lz totally tipped me off about the great library
[21:16] LBPBumout: What do you mean?
[21:17] Lazer KP: he said "can we play for 5 more turns" and i asked him what happens in 5 turns and he said "something real special"
[21:17] Lazer KP: so i got worried he was building GL
[21:17] Lazer KP: i was 9 turns away from it at that point
[21:17] Lazer KP: so I enslaved 2 people to rush it
[21:17] Lazer KP: stole it right out from under him
[21:17] LBPBumout: That's terrible.
[21:18] Lazer KP:
[21:18] LBPBumout: You must be proud of yourself.
[21:19] Lazer KP: very much so

Session Start (LazerKP:LBPBumout): Fri Mar 31 15:21:43 2006
[15:21] Lazer KP: yo
[15:23] LBPBumout: Hey.
[15:24] LBPBumout: So, are you optomistic about this war?
[15:24] Lazer KP: i think so. it'll be rough going at first to be sure.
[15:24] LBPBumout: Well, Spain doesn't feel as if though this war should occur, but in our minds they are barbarians.
[15:24] LBPBumout: So do with their "people" as you see fit.
[15:24] Lazer KP: hehe, alright
[15:25] LBPBumout: I'm trying to get a northern summit going.
[15:25] Lazer KP: well i'm available
[15:25] LBPBumout: But I had to rescind my invitation to Russia and India because you are both at war.
[15:25] LBPBumout: And I don't want your war to color the discussion.
[15:25] Lazer KP:
[15:25] LBPBumout: But obviously afterwards you can join.
[15:25] Lazer KP: no prob
[15:25] LBPBumout: The last thing I need are the Jews accusing us of hating them.
[15:25] Lazer KP: heh, damn jews
[15:26] LBPBumout: And its not that we hate them, we just don't appreciate their southern culture.
[15:26] Lazer KP: yea
*snip*
[15:29] LBPBumout: Unfortunantly the Inca believe they need to expand westward.
[15:29] LBPBumout: Which means in Spanish ancestral lands.
[15:29] Lazer KP: hmm
[15:29] LBPBumout: There is no room for them, they must realize this.
[15:29] Lazer KP: yea
[15:29] LBPBumout: If they don't understand that, our swordsmen will be more than happy to show them firsthand.
[15:30] Lazer KP:
[15:30] LBPBumout: If necessary, don't hesitate to ask us for troops, I'm sure we can come to some sort of understanding.
[15:30] LBPBumout: Obviously they would have to be under Indian command.
[15:30] LBPBumout: Because we are neutral after all.
[15:30] Lazer KP: certainly
[15:30] Lazer KP: i think we'd definitely be interested in taking you up on that
[15:30] LBPBumout: We'll see how this peace summitt goes.
[15:31] Lazer KP: ok
[15:31] LBPBumout: If I can get a non-aggression agreement with the other northern states, I wouldn't mind.
[15:31] LBPBumout: The Jews can't reach Spain, they have to get through the Indian Jungles.
[15:31] LBPBumout: And I somehow feel that would be quite difficult.
[15:31] Lazer KP: i hope so
[15:31] LBPBumout: So do I.
[15:31] Lazer KP: heh
[15:31] Lazer KP: and through russia

Session Start (LazerKP:LBPBumout): Fri Mar 31 19:59:21 2006
[19:59] Lazer KP: our cities are about to fall
[20:01] LBPBumout: Okay, which ones?
[20:01] Lazer KP: Delhi, Madras, and Novgorod
[20:01] Lazer KP: we are trying to defend
[20:01] Lazer KP: but they have units outside of all of those
[20:01] Lazer KP: maybe Sri Nicograd too
[20:02] LBPBumout: Hmm, I don't know where those cities are.
[20:02] LBPBumout: This may demand a Spanish response.
[20:02] LBPBumout: China looks open to helping you too.
[20:03] Lazer KP: yea
[20:03] Lazer KP: reassure china that you are friendly
[20:03] Lazer KP: she keeps not wanting to send troops cause she thinks you are gonna attack
[20:03] LBPBumout: I would never attack China, they are Buddhists as well.
[20:03] Lazer KP: yea
[20:03] LBPBumout: Why would she think that?
[20:03] Lazer KP: i dunno
[20:03] Lazer KP: but yea, send what you can
[20:04] LBPBumout: Unfortunantly I can't say you didn't get yourselves into this.
[20:04] Lazer KP: India's two most important cities have troops outside of them
[20:04] LBPBumout: And Spain needs coastal cities, so the only way I will fight is if I can get coastal cities.
[20:04] LBPBumout: If you guys can make that happen I can guarantee we can fend them off.
[20:05] Lazer KP: alright
[20:06] Lazer KP: its a deal
[20:06] Lazer KP: russia says you can have the incan city
[20:08] Lazer KP: we
[20:08] Lazer KP: we'll have macemen in 20 turns
[20:08] Lazer KP: we need to hold them off till then
[20:11] LBPBumout: Well, I'm going to have to send in my Swordsmen though.
[20:11] LBPBumout: But if I lose any cities to barbarians, I am going to be angry.
[20:11] LBPBumout: This is going to be expensive for me.
[20:11] Lazer KP: swordmen would be excellent
[20:44] LBPBumout: Alright.
[20:44] LBPBumout: What I need is a few turns (three maybe) to set up my army.
[20:45] LBPBumout: If I am joining I have to take down Huamanga, otherwise I may be at war here, and would be no help to you abroad.
[20:45] LBPBumout: If this works, I can sack Huamanga and my army could be sent to stop the invasion.
[20:45] LBPBumout: Otherwise, this will fail.
[20:46] Lazer KP: oh 3 turns is fine
[20:46] LBPBumout: Alright.
[20:46] Lazer KP: i thought you meant like 15
[20:46] LBPBumout: No.
[20:46] LBPBumout: I just need to move some units I was sending towards you guys back to Spain.
[20:46] LBPBumout: Now, don't call me a liar if its five, but no more than five. I just have to make sure I kill some barbs and get my men in position to take Huamanga before the Incans know what hit them.
[20:46] LBPBumout: Personally I feel this guys have gone too far, and must be stopped.
[20:46] Lazer KP: why move back to spain?
[20:46] LBPBumout: this = these
[20:47] Lazer KP: yea, seriously
[20:47] LBPBumout: Beacuse the city the Inca have is within Spanish ancestral lands.
[20:47] LBPBumout: It was settled far into our territory, so I have to destroy it first.
[20:47] Lazer KP: oh, its west of russia?
[20:47] LBPBumout: Yeah.
[20:47] LBPBumout: Far from their main body of land.
[20:47] Lazer KP: ok
[20:48] LBPBumout: Now, another reason I have to get my ducks in order is because I had a secret trade agreement with England.
[20:48] LBPBumout: Which now is over as far as I can tell.
[20:48] LBPBumout: They've decided to abandon Spain, who has done so much for them.
[20:48] Lazer KP: yea

Session Start (LazerKP:LBPBumout): Mon Apr 03 13:27:04 2006
[13:41] LBPBumout: Well, my intended campaign will be first to RAZE Huamanga.
[13:41] LBPBumout: As a sign to those who have turned their backs on Spain, and what Spain is willing to do.
[13:41] LBPBumout: Then we will march through northern Russia, taking out any invaders we see.
[13:41] LBPBumout: And invade Inca and England.
[13:41] LBPBumout: That's our plan.
[13:41] Lazer KP: ok
[13:42] LBPBumout: Hopefully you guys can hold the south.
[13:42] Lazer KP: i dunno...
[13:42] Lazer KP: i'll do my best
[13:42] LBPBumout: Well it will take a long time for us to get down there.
[13:42] Lazer KP: yea
[13:42] LBPBumout: And I'm hoping with Chinese reinforcements you can at least hold them until I get England and Inca out of the war.
[13:43] Lazer KP: yea
[13:43] LBPBumout: I don't think they'll stay inovlved too long, especially if they lose a city or two.
[13:43] Lazer KP: true
[13:43] LBPBumout: They are opportunists after all.
[13:43] Lazer KP: my goals for the war is to take and keep Boston, and then impose a missionary condition on the southern powers.
[13:43] LBPBumout: Not to mention, I'll have the advantage of not having to defend my cities that much.
[13:44] Lazer KP: where they couldn't send missionaries through my lands at all (effectively blocking them from the entire map north of me) and I'd be permitted to send my Hindu missionaries south.
[13:44] LBPBumout: Well, this may seem extreme to you, but I have no problem conquering England, renaming it Castilla Nueva, and exiling the English to that island in the south.
[13:44] LBPBumout: But obviously, nobody will like that.
[13:44] Lazer KP: heh, yea
[13:44] Lazer KP: that might be a bit much
[13:44] LBPBumout: You don't understand, they betrayed me.
[13:44] Lazer KP: how so?
[13:45] LBPBumout: We had a secret alliance, we were tech sharing, and they made me promise not to trade it.
[13:45] LBPBumout: Which I didn't.
[13:45] LBPBumout: Then the entire time they were funneling the tech to the Inca and planning to attack you guys.
[13:45] LBPBumout: Without telling me.
[13:45] Lazer KP: ah yea
[13:45] LBPBumout: I had no clue, and honestly would have blown the lid on it if I had known.
[13:45] Lazer KP: yea
[13:46] LBPBumout: I am not really going to do that, but I would like to.
[13:46] Lazer KP: hehe
[13:46] LBPBumout: And I will be at least razing a couple cities as punishment.
[13:46] Lazer KP: i'd love to beat down the damn americans
[13:46] Lazer KP: but i think boston and free reign for my missionaries will be sufficient
[13:46] Lazer KP: and if they really piss me off, maybe I'll go for New York too
[13:46] LBPBumout: Yeah, well Sancho is going to turn out to be a bit of a hot headed guy.
[13:47] LBPBumout: They're so stupid, no wonder they didn't want to join the summit.
[13:47] Lazer KP: hehe
[13:47] Lazer KP: they were planning on the surprize attack all along
[13:47] LBPBumout: I can't believe the Inca had the gall to ask me if they could expand further west.
[13:47] LBPBumout: Into Spanish lands.
[13:48] Lazer KP: yea
[13:48] LBPBumout: Yeah they were, hopefully Huamanga isn't heavily guarded.
[13:48] Lazer KP: probably not
[13:48] LBPBumout: I'm hoping it won't be, because it would be expensive to maintain that, not to mention they probably feel that since its surrounded by Spain, they won't be attacked.
[13:48] LBPBumout: Yeah, I'm going to send an army towards it which is there to "fight barbarians"
[13:48] LBPBumout: What they won't realize is they're the barbarians.
[13:49] Lazer KP: yea, from what i can see from cities with my religion, the 5 powers aren't defending their interior cities well
[13:49] Lazer KP: of course neither am i
[13:49] Lazer KP: everyone is throwing everything at the front
[13:49] LBPBumout: I am considering expanding Buddhism to it first, so I know what I'm dealing with.
[13:49] Lazer KP: do you have a missionary handy?
[13:49] LBPBumout: But that may hgive them a signal.
[13:49] LBPBumout: I have one on the way.
[13:49] Lazer KP: ok
[13:50] LBPBumout: You'll have to forgive me, I wasn't exactly prepared to get into the war.
[13:50] Lazer KP: i doubt it'd send a signal
[13:50] Lazer KP: neither was i! hehe
[13:50] LBPBumout: But I wasn't exactly prepared for England and the inca to join it.
[13:50] LBPBumout: I should have learned my lesson; never trust Deity.
[13:50] Lazer KP: i wasn't prepared for a war this sesion at all
[13:50] Lazer KP: we should have learned that lession years ago, heh
[13:51] LBPBumout: But you had to have known there would be war, how were you not prepared
[13:51] LBPBumout: ?
[13:51] Lazer KP: i assumed that there might be war next week.
[13:51] LBPBumout: Oh, you thought this would drag on another session?
[13:51] LBPBumout: I was pretty sure it would be this time around.
[13:52] Lazer KP: yea, totally. my initial thing was just a threat to close borders to keep out missionaries.
[13:52] Lazer KP: but the Americans kept pushing for war
[13:52] LBPBumout: Damn.
[13:52] LBPBumout: Most of my efforts went towards building workers, and buildings and ****.
[13:52] LBPBumout: I mean, I have an army, but I wouldn't call it big enough to wage a war.
[13:52] LBPBumout: And most of them are scattered around.
[13:52] Lazer KP: i figured i'd start some hostitily gradually and then ofter time (like next week) develop into war. Then I'd have last friday to build up some troops.
[13:53] Lazer KP: but the American push for war totally took me by surprize.
[13:53] Lazer KP: my military was pathetic
[13:53] LBPBumout: I'll be able to take Huamanga, which I'll raze so I don't have to administer it, then I'll send an initial force to support the Russians, and hopefully by then I'll have a good invasion force.
[13:53] LBPBumout: They said you had a huge army.
[13:53] Lazer KP: hah, not a chance.
[13:53] Lazer KP: the russians did
[13:53] Lazer KP: sorta
[13:53] Lazer KP: but i was scrambling as soon as the session started
[13:54] Lazer KP: i've got a huge army NOW but only thanks to a lot of slavery
[13:54] LBPBumout: See, I think I'll be a good addition to your cause because I would then be surrounded by allies.
[13:54] LBPBumout: And in a position to relax my defenses a bit.
[13:54] LBPBumout: Fortunately for me, Spain is made up of vast forests.
[13:54] Lazer KP: nice
[13:54] LBPBumout: Which I wisely hardly tapped yet.
[13:55] Lazer KP: on the power graph i think i was like 6th when the session started, nad by the end i was 1st
[13:55] Lazer KP: but not without consequences
[13:55] Lazer KP: my production had been decimated
[13:56] Lazer KP: because of pillaging and having to pop rush a lot of workers
[13:56] LBPBumout: Terrible...
[13:56] Lazer KP: especially now that the inca & english are in the war
[13:56] Lazer KP: now the russians are worrying about their own cities
[13:56] Lazer KP: and i have to deal with france, america and germany mostly alone
[13:57] Lazer KP: which is scary
[13:57] LBPBumout: Hopefully Spanish troops will relieve you guys a little.
[13:57] Lazer KP: yea, definitely

[OzzyKP]

more good stuff

[14:13] LBPBumout: I was going to declare war in the session.
[14:13] Lazer KP: yea
[14:13] LBPBumout: Basically I was going to sneak attack Huamanga.
[14:13] Lazer KP: i know
[14:13] LBPBumout: Okay.
[14:13] Lazer KP: that's when i'll post it
[14:13] Lazer KP: during the session
[14:13] LBPBumout: See, I'm going to play up the barbarian invasions from the noth.
[14:13] Lazer KP: ok
[14:13] LBPBumout: Which is real, and I'm sure the Inca have had it happen to them too.
[14:13] LBPBumout: So we'll start referring to Huamanga as "the little problem in the north"
[14:13] LBPBumout: Hopefully everyone will think I'm talking about barbarians.
[14:13] Lazer KP: hehe
[14:14] LBPBumout: Did you notice Pizarro's name came up?
[14:14] Lazer KP: though we also refer to inca and english as "the north"
[14:14] Lazer KP: yea i did i pointed it out to Kuno too. Good to see him.
[14:14] LBPBumout: He'll be around soon, he's still a rookie general.
[14:15] LBPBumout: He'll come up when Sancho replaces his board of advisors/generals
[14:15] Lazer KP: i'm just worried that the war will be over by the time you get your conquistador unit
[14:15] LBPBumout: I don't mind.
[14:15] LBPBumout: I'll use them when they come up... I still have Hernan Cortez.
[14:15] Lazer KP: true
[14:15] Lazer KP: i think the war won't last too much longer once we get macemen and crossbows
[14:15] LBPBumout: He'll be my to conquistador.
[14:16] LBPBumout: Yeah, not to mention if they realize Spain and China have joined against them they won't have as much of a moral ground to stand on.
[14:16] Lazer KP: cause we've got a nice tech lead, so in 22 turns we'll have macemen, and we'll be unstoppable
[14:16] Lazer KP: yea
[14:16] LBPBumout: And may be convinced to sue for peace.
[14:16] Lazer KP: they'll have to
[14:16] LBPBumout: That is true, its harder for them to get into Spain and China, than it is for us to get into England for example.
[14:17] LBPBumout: Less land to cover.
[14:17] Lazer KP: so I just need to stay on the defensive until spain & china are brought in officially and till we get macemen
[14:17] LBPBumout: Exactly.
[14:17] LBPBumout: Just so you know, they continue to ask me to support them.
[14:17] LBPBumout: They want me to invade St. Petersburg.
[14:17] Lazer KP: yea
[14:17] LBPBumout: Should I do anything with this?
[14:17] Lazer KP: that's just ridiculous
[14:18] LBPBumout: Or just keep rejecting their offer.
[14:18] Lazer KP: 5 on 2 is bad enough, they want to make it 6 on 2, jeeze
[14:18] Lazer KP: they have no sense of balance
[14:18] LBPBumout: Plus, my position makes it even worse.
[14:18] LBPBumout: Because you'd be effectively surrounded.
[14:18] Lazer KP: yea, seriously
[14:18] LBPBumout: I told them we have no interest in getting involved, and promised I wouldn't tell you guys about it.
[14:18] LBPBumout: So I think they trust me to be neutral.
[14:18] Lazer KP: well i think no matter what russia and i are going to be the world's battlegrounds for the rest of the game cause we are in the middle.
[14:19] Lazer KP: we are like germany
[14:19] Lazer KP: everything is gonna happen on our soil
[14:19] LBPBumout: Well, perhaps.
[14:19] Lazer KP: until the colonial period starts
[14:19] LBPBumout: Right.
[14:19] Lazer KP: but yea, you are playing it right
[14:19] Lazer KP: as long as they don't suspect you are joing us
[14:20] LBPBumout: Exactly, I have to take Huamanga down.
[14:20] LBPBumout: Its imperative to me.
[14:20] Lazer KP: yea
[14:20] LBPBumout: Then I have a free ticket to invade them as I please.
[14:20] Lazer KP: yea
[14:20] LBPBumout: So tactically, I can do whatever I need to do.
[14:20] Lazer KP: yea
[14:20] LBPBumout: I wish I had a fleet though.
[14:20] LBPBumout: But alas, no ports.
[14:20] Lazer KP: me too
[14:21] Lazer KP: i've got ports, but no time to build ship
[14:21] Lazer KP: *ships
[14:21] LBPBumout: China doesn't want to let me settle on the western coast.
[14:21] LBPBumout: Which is another reason I don't like China.
[14:21] Lazer KP: heh
[14:22] Lazer KP: oh the fact we didn't do any tech trades will help give you the appearance of neutrality
[14:22] Lazer KP: i think they will suspect (if they are smart) that china is on our side
[14:22] Lazer KP: since they have my coveted civil service tech
[14:22] LBPBumout: Alright, well.
[14:23] Lazer KP: i didn't even give that to russia until last session
[14:23] LBPBumout: The problem with me getting the techs late is I can't start construction of new units.
[14:23] LBPBumout: BUT.
[14:23] LBPBumout: I can counter that with my forests.
[14:23] Lazer KP: yea
[14:23] LBPBumout: So basically you can gift them AFTER I actually attack Huamanga.
[14:23] Lazer KP: yea, i will
[14:23] LBPBumout: So even if they are paying attention, it will be too late.
[14:24] Lazer KP: yea'
[14:24] LBPBumout: I'm looking forward to this war.
[14:24] Lazer KP: hehe
[14:25] Lazer KP: i'm wondering whether i should attack boston
[14:25] LBPBumout: I have no knowlege of their geography.
[14:25] LBPBumout: So I have no input.
[14:25] Lazer KP: i've got some excess units in Delhi after fighting off their invasion
[14:25] Lazer KP: and boston at the moment seems lightly defeneded
[14:25] Lazer KP: but i never know what stack of units is just out of my sight
[14:25] LBPBumout: I'm sure any city you take will cause them to sue for peace.
[14:26] Lazer KP: yea
[14:26] Lazer KP: if i can hold it
[14:26] LBPBumout: True, I don't think their will is really that strong.
[14:26] Lazer KP: and if i don't lose madras in the process
[14:26] LBPBumout: And I feel like once the English and Inca stop, which I am sure they will.
[14:26] LBPBumout: The Jews will follow quickly.
[14:27] Lazer KP: yea. if things stood as it is now, i think they'd continue on. but once you join the war, they will be far more likely to back down
[14:27] LBPBumout: Especially if they realize my primary attack will be directed at England and Inca.
[14:27] LBPBumout: Which it will be, unless you need support in the south.
[14:27] Lazer KP: yea
[14:27] LBPBumout: Goddam Deity.
[14:27] Lazer KP: heh
[14:27] LBPBumout: I'm still pissed about HOTW2.
[14:27] Lazer KP: hehe
[14:27] Lazer KP: just be glad you weren't in HOTW4
[14:27] LBPBumout: I was totally ripped to shreds in that game, I had two countries betray me.
[14:28] Lazer KP: you'd have a whole new reason to be pissed
[14:28] LBPBumout: Heh.
[14:28] Lazer KP: see that's what is so interesting about deity in this game with the random map
[14:28] Lazer KP: every diplogame he is in, he always picks the spot farthest away from everyone
[14:28] LBPBumout: He does.
[14:28] Lazer KP: australia or africa, places where he can build up a massive empire in peace
[14:28] Lazer KP: and then blitz us all with it at the end
[14:29] Lazer KP: he did the same thing in hotw2 as in 4
[14:29] LBPBumout: Now he's been thrust right into the ****.
[14:29] Lazer KP: exactly
[14:29] LBPBumout: Yeah, I think he figured he'd catch you guys off-guard and take a lot of land.
[14:29] Lazer KP: yea
[14:29] Lazer KP: its definitely a land grab by the smaller powers
[14:30] Lazer KP: and it almost worked
[14:30] Lazer KP: but they've stepped on neutral powers (you) along the war
[14:30] Lazer KP: which is a bad idea
[14:30] Lazer KP: *way
[14:30] Lazer KP: haha, another fruedian slip
[14:32] LBPBumout: Heh.
[14:32] LBPBumout: We gotta stop doing that.
[14:32] Lazer KP: hehe
[14:32] LBPBumout: I think they were worried I'd tell you guys about it.
[14:32] LBPBumout: So they didn't tell me.
[14:32] Lazer KP: yea
[14:32] LBPBumout: But even before that, they ignored my diplomacy.
[14:32] Lazer KP: yea
[14:32] LBPBumout: Which pisses me off, if you don't want to attend a summit say so, don't just ignore me.
[14:32] Lazer KP: yea
[14:33] LBPBumout: And I know the Inca ignored me because they wanted to settle more land in my area.
[14:33] Lazer KP: they were no doubt worried it would expose their war plans
[14:33] LBPBumout: And the English did because they wanted to fight.
[14:33] LBPBumout: Exactly.


Session Start (LazerKP:LBPBumout): Thu Apr 06 02:28:55 2006
[15:39] LBPBumout: I'm trying to look completely neutral, and I managed to get that pesky cease-fire summit over with too.
[15:39] LBPBumout: Sancho can't have that.
[15:39] Lazer KP: yea
[15:39] Lazer KP: it'd be no fun if we had a cease-fire now, we've got more killin' to do
[15:40] LBPBumout: Yeah, but Germany and the Inca actually AGREED to do it.
[15:40] Lazer KP: heh, yea
[15:40] LBPBumout: I mean, I didn't think anyone would, otherwise I wouldn't have suggested it.
[15:40] Lazer KP: well it'd be smart to do, to negotiate peace while they have the upper hand in the war
[15:40] LBPBumout: That's true.
[15:40] Lazer KP: though i think germany's note was just for india to go to peace so they could focus their attention entirely on russia
[15:41] LBPBumout: Yeah, I think so too.
[15:41] LBPBumout: But he can't possibly expect that to happen.
[15:41] Lazer KP: which is what all the "peace offers" that America sent me before last session were about
[15:41] Lazer KP: "this isn't your war, we want to conquer russia, but it shouldn't bother you, so lets have peace"
[15:42] Lazer KP: screw that
[15:45] LBPBumout: Tomorrow, it begins.


[17:16] LBPBumout: If I fail in this attack, its going to be bad.
[17:16] LBPBumout: Because if I want to do it quickly, I'll have to use the majority of my standing army.
[17:16] LBPBumout: So if I lose I'd go on the defensive for a bit.
[17:16] LBPBumout: So I must take down Huamanga.
[17:16] Lazer KP: how big is the city?
[17:16] LBPBumout: Offhand I don't know.
[17:16] LBPBumout: I think its a three or four.
[17:16] Lazer KP: its probably not well defended
[17:16] LBPBumout: I doubt it is.
[17:16] LBPBumout: Considering he probably considers me a buffer for it.
[17:16] Lazer KP: yea
[17:17] LBPBumout: Unless he has it heavily defended in order to protect against a Russian attack.
[17:17] Lazer KP: he doesn't even has his main cities heavily defended
[17:17] LBPBumout: I'm hoping my swordsmen can take it down though.
[17:17] LBPBumout: How do you know?
[17:17] Lazer KP: religion
[17:18] LBPBumout: Yeah, he has one Buddhist city that's on a ****in island.
[17:18] LBPBumout: So its useless for me to know about it.
[17:18] Lazer KP: yea
[17:18] LBPBumout: I'm thinking I might send a missionary there first in order to make sure.
[17:18] Lazer KP: his cap is hindu
[17:18] LBPBumout: Nice.
[17:18] Lazer KP: well don't take too long, we definitely need help
[17:18] LBPBumout: But I would assume its less-defended than his cap.
[17:18] LBPBumout: I know, I know.
[17:18] LBPBumout: I don't have that much money though.
[17:18] LBPBumout: So I can't build a massive force.
[17:19] LBPBumout: I just have to use my tactics.
[17:19] LBPBumout: And hope they don't get through Russia.
[17:19] Lazer KP: well even if you have to put your tech rate down, you'll need those troops
[17:19] Lazer KP: you'll be getitng more tech by allying yourself with us than you can possibly invent on your own anyways
[17:19] LBPBumout: Alright, I'll tell you what.
[17:20] LBPBumout: I'll put down my tech rate, as long as after this war is over you catch me up.
[17:20] Lazer KP: sure
[17:20] LBPBumout: I can chop trees down and build a huge army.
[17:20] LBPBumout: I really want to take these guys down.
[17:20] LBPBumout: They're using this Jewish war as an excuse to get land.
[17:20] LBPBumout: Its pathetic.
[17:21] Lazer KP: i've got my tech rate down too, mostly so i can upgrade my units quickly to avoid losing cities
[17:21] LBPBumout: Alright well, we can't all have the tech rate down.
[17:21] LBPBumout: I'll put it down for a while, hopefully after a big army comes I can normalize it.
[17:21] Lazer KP: kuno and nolan are still chugging along
[17:21] LBPBumout: Nice.
[17:21] LBPBumout: I think we can turn this war in this session.
[17:21] Lazer KP: and we've got a nice lead over the rest of them anyways
[17:21] LBPBumout: I am going to be cast as a villain for this.
[17:22] Lazer KP: meh, screw them
[17:22] Lazer KP: they keep trying to cast us as villians
[17:22] Lazer KP: but they are the ones pushing this war
[17:22] LBPBumout: Those Incan dogs, how DARE they settle in greater SPain?
[17:22] LBPBumout: I think I'm going to declare war on the Inca initially.
[17:22] LBPBumout: And let them declare war on me, it makes me look better.
[17:23] LBPBumout: I guarantee they will.
[17:23] Lazer KP: heh
[17:23] LBPBumout: England/Inca.
[17:23] LBPBumout: Then the Jews, I'm sure will declare war.
[17:23] LBPBumout: Even if they don't I'll help, I just want to see what they're reaction would be.
[17:23] LBPBumout: I'm sure England will start calling me an oppressor.
[17:24] LBPBumout: Despite the fact that their ally built a city intentionally to take horses from me, and that they are demanding that the Russians turn over NOVOGROD for ****'s sake.
[17:24] Lazer KP: heh, yea
[17:25] LBPBumout: Alright, good to go.
[17:25] Lazer KP: great
[17:26] LBPBumout: Pizarro is ready to command his forces against the barbarian camp...
[17:26] LBPBumout: ... I believe the barbarians call it, Huamanga.
[17:26] Lazer KP: excellent
[17:26] LBPBumout: So, I thought we were starting early today?
[17:26] Lazer KP: i dunno
[17:27] Lazer KP: its all over my head. i figure i just show up early and whenever people show up we play
[17:27] LBPBumout: Speaking of Huamanga...
[17:30] LBPBumout: You know, right around where Huamanga is ;-)
[17:30] Lazer KP:
[17:35] LBPBumout: Hmm, he doesn't seem suspicious.
[17:35] Lazer KP: nope
[17:35] Lazer KP:
[17:35] LBPBumout: Nice.
[17:36] LBPBumout: When I land my armies he'll have ONE turn to rush somebody.
[17:36] LBPBumout: Hopefully that one unit won't be enough.
[17:36] Lazer KP: yea
[17:41] LBPBumout: Gotta pretend I'm for peace...
[17:41] Lazer KP: heh
[17:46] Lazer KP: [17:45] robert: I need to talk to you
[17:45] Lazer KP: ok
[17:45] robert: You have seen our forces outside Madras.....
[17:45] robert: You have seen that they are with many
[17:46] robert: and reinforces are on it's way
[17:46] robert: There are two catapults among them
[17:46] robert: 4 axemen
[17:46] robert: 1 swordman
[17:46] robert: 4 archers
[17:46] LBPBumout: What a douche.
[17:46] LBPBumout: Its comin down out there.
[17:47] Lazer KP: yea, here too
[17:47] LBPBumout: Much like the urine that will spill from American bladders once Spain joins the war!
[17:47] LBPBumout: Mwah hah hah hah.
[17:47] Lazer KP: hehe
[17:48] LBPBumout: I don't understand him.
[17:48] LBPBumout: He claims that he doesn't want war, but he's all aggressive and threatening.
[17:48] LBPBumout: What the hell is wrong with him.
[17:48] Lazer KP: heh, yea
[17:49] Lazer KP: he is demanding madras for peace
[17:49] Lazer KP: [17:48] robert: I can move them to Novogrod, the city that's already under seige
[17:48] robert: I will let your armies leave Madras
[17:48] robert: then I'll give you a cease fire
[17:48] robert: and even peace
[17:48] robert: If not, then I'll move to the west after I have token MAdras
[17:49] Lazer KP: if i let you have madras?
[17:49] robert: I will take Madras anyway
[17:49] robert: It is lost.
[17:49] robert: You can decide where my armies go after they have token Madras
[17:49] robert: To the West or to the North
[17:49] robert: To India or to Russia
[17:50] LBPBumout: Tell them they can go to hell.
[17:50] LBPBumout: Where they can await their King.
[17:50] Lazer KP: hehe
[17:50] LBPBumout: Seriously, say that.
[17:50] LBPBumout: Its bad ass.
[17:50] Lazer KP: hehe
[17:50] Lazer KP: i'm gonna let him talk a bit
[17:51] Lazer KP: he is totally full of himself heh
[17:51] LBPBumout: He is.
[17:51] LBPBumout: The only thing is, we may have to chalk Madras up as a loss for now, my forces are still very far from the battles.
[17:51] Lazer KP: [17:49] robert: Remember that the cultural defense is totally gone
[17:49] robert: my two catapults will destroy the rest of the defense
[17:49] Lazer KP: yes
[17:50] robert: You can save your armies from the city, and retreath them to India
[17:50] robert: Or you can lose them with the city
[17:50] robert: All allies will have peace with you
[17:50] robert: and remove all units from your territory
[17:50] robert: That's my offer. Madras in exchange for peace.
[17:51] robert: You can think about it.
[17:51] Lazer KP: How about you give up Boston for peace to avoid your daughter rotating on a spit outside my palace in Delhi.
[17:52] Lazer KP: but yea.... i may lose madras...
[17:53] LBPBumout: Well, que sera sera
[17:55] Lazer KP: [17:53] Lazer KP: I have no time for your threats
[17:53] robert: I give you an opening
[17:53] robert: You know that the city of Madras is lost.
[17:53] robert: I offer you peace
[17:54] Lazer KP: Madras is too important to India. But I shall remember this.
[17:54] Lazer KP: When the time comes and the momentum has shifted I will be demanding Washington for peace.
[17:54] robert: Sure you will
[17:54] robert: And you do, and the odds are on your side, I will give in
[17:54] robert: since I'd rather have the people of Washington live under your commands, then that they'll be death while I'm their leader
Session Close (LBPBumout): Fri Apr 07 17:57:30 2006

Session Start (LazerKP:LBPBumout): Fri Apr 07 18:04:31 2006
[18:04] LBPBumout: [17:59:44] robert: You know that it was the indian and russian invasion of Boston that was the first strike in this war?
[18:00:21] LBP Bumout: Regardless.
[18:00:28] LBP Bumout: Spain is not dumb, and we do remember that America declared war first.
[18:05] LBPBumout: [18:00:37] LBP Bumout: Whether you deny it or not is irrelevant, I saw it with my own eyes.
[18:00:41] LBP Bumout: So don't tell me who started anything.
[18:00:43] robert: The Russians declared war first
[18:00:46] LBP Bumout: That is not true.
[18:05] LBPBumout: [18:00:52] LBP Bumout: And I'd appreciate it if you stopped lying to me.
[18:05] Lazer KP:
[18:05] LBPBumout: [18:01:37] robert: How is killing and murdering innocent children and women not an act of war? only because they're jewish?
[18:02:05] LBP Bumout: They were Russians.
[18:02:11] LBP Bumout: And the Russian King can do what he likes with his subjects.
[18:05] LBPBumout: [18:02:19] robert: *ough*
[18:06] Lazer KP: heh
[18:06] LBPBumout: This is my favorite part...
[18:06] Lazer KP: yea, heh
[18:06] LBPBumout: [18:03:20] robert: I wish you wisdom and hapyness
[18:03:25] LBP Bumout: You don't have to, I have both.
[18:06] LBPBumout: Sancho is no El Cid, he's more of a punk ass bastard.
[18:06] Lazer KP: nice

[Robert]

Good stuff Ozzy!
Really good stuff!
I'm going to save all my dialogs for HOTW7!!!!
I hate it to see that even in your secret chat logs you said to Kuno that your cities were about to fall. I hate that because they never fell b/c of a sub who attacked too early and spilled 5 good axemen BEFORE my 4 catapults would have damaged your defense that much that those 5 catapults would have won without problems!!!

This btw is the key to the war:

[00:25] Lazer KP: i'm gonna give it a different font. to look more formal

That font never appeared 'formal' on my screen since I didn't got that front on my office pc. I saw big bold all-caps letters and assumed that you shouted and ordered me instead of sending a diplomatic question.

HOTWV will allways be the game of the wrong font to me 8)

[OzzyKP]

[19:36] condor223: spain aligned with?
[19:36] ozzykp: no one yet
[19:37] condor223: you guys will have to keep me cued cause im going to be overloaded soon.
[19:37] ozzykp: at least we're not sure
[19:37] wearesingapore: heh
[19:37] condor223: want to try to get spain in with us
[19:37] ozzykp: no
[19:37] ozzykp: that's too much
[19:37] condor223: or russia would be fi ghting on two sides.
[19:37] wearesingapore: we'd be overwhelming the competition though
[19:37] wearesingapore: as an ooc consideration
[19:37] wearesingapore: but sure, get them to keep neutral
[19:38] ozzykp: we could ally with german, inca, and england too
[19:38] ozzykp: but... probably not fair
[19:38] condor223: who is the skull?
[19:39] ozzykp: what?
[19:39] condor223: seeing spainish picture
[19:39] ozzykp: oh
[19:39] ozzykp: read it
[19:39] ozzykp: i don't remember
[19:39] wearesingapore: some dude that bainor killed in his madness, heh
[19:40] wearesingapore: rumors are that his name was yorick
[19:40] condor223: the Chinese are not open with such inside management. We are quiet.
[19:40] ozzykp: hehe
[19:40] ozzykp: being quiet is no fun
[19:40] wearesingapore: yeah
[19:40] condor223: remember you are veterans of this kind of game
[19:41] wearesingapore: hey, i can hardly be considered a veteran
[19:41] wearesingapore: considering that it's my first
[19:41] ozzykp: kuno has as much experience as you :P


[20:08] abyssal_nuclei: yeah, just now finished reading up on all that is happening in your game
[20:09] condor223: aby i hope things in the game allow me to let you take china for an hour friday... if you are around.
[20:10] condor223: my desire is that i start NO wars with spain.
[20:10] condor223: our border is too wide.. and my ability to train military is limited during my period of growth.
[20:10] ozzykp: gimmie units
[20:10] condor223: i have to expand.
[20:10] condor223: lol
[20:10] wearesingapore: heh
[20:10] ozzykp: send units east
[20:10] ozzykp: we need em
[20:10] condor223: well expand safely too
[20:11] wearesingapore: we want yer chokonus (once we get machinary)
[20:11] condor223: lol well thats possible as long as spain is at rest with me.
[20:11] condor223: or i get too cautious.
[20:11] wearesingapore: a navy might be a good idea too
[20:11] wearesingapore: faster than roads at this point
[20:12] wearesingapore: (and the roads aren't set up either)
[20:13] condor223: Our fleet is not built
[20:14] condor223: with only one port city at this time i cant build many
[20:14] condor223: i have an artist to put in the next city.. ON the sw coast to expand the area so spain wont take it
[20:15] condor223: capo seems happy to be in there
[20:16] condor223: he was getting squirrly with the connection issues and his schedule
[20:18] wearesingapore: heheh
[20:18] * wearesingapore doesn't have a fleet either
[20:18] condor223: it is unlikely to have anything of note by end of next session.
[20:19] ozzykp:
[20:19] ozzykp: chuknos are needed
[20:19] condor223: one port city and many turns to the second one.. then to have it grow enough to build the navy
[20:19] ozzykp: well don't worry about navy then
[20:19] ozzykp: we still need some military
[20:19] condor223: soon enough.
[20:19] ozzykp: and you need to expand more
[20:20] ozzykp: in general
[20:20] wearesingapore: just send them units overland
[20:20] condor223: i want to build enough military in each city to be sure spain wont come to china
[20:20] ozzykp: heh, you're paranoid
[20:20] condor223: four turns of anarchy.. bleh.
[20:20] condor223: it feels like ages
[20:20] wearesingapore: the middle kingdom has always been paranoid
[20:21] condor223: then it is so
[20:21] condor223: <)
[20:21] wearesingapore: though there have been times when they were open to the outside world
[20:21] wearesingapore: (else there wouldn't be the silk road)
[20:21] abyssal_nuclei: You think that spain wants war with China?
[20:22] abyssal_nuclei: Is it something to be worried of?\
[20:22] wearesingapore: then again, the silk road was established roughly when the mongols rose to pre-eminance
[20:22] condor223: they have not contacted china last session.
[20:22] ozzykp: i haven't seen the slightest rumblings of war from spain
[20:22] wearesingapore: don't think spain wants war at all
[20:22] abyssal_nuclei: I think primary focus should be expansion
[20:22] wearesingapore: but they do want to expand
[20:22] condor223: like china, spain wants to grow big and fat
[20:22] condor223: and rich
[20:22] abyssal_nuclei: that would probebly be what I would do if I played on Friday
[20:22] wearesingapore: and ivan is deeply opposed to their expansion
[20:22] condor223: yes
[20:22] abyssal_nuclei: If that would be a good idea
[20:23] wearesingapore: but he currently hates Robert more
[20:23] abyssal_nuclei: China expanding will make China more poweful, and prevent Spain from becoming to powerful.
[20:23] condor223: yes
[20:23] abyssal_nuclei: lol you guys were pushing for war :P
[20:23] condor223: so i make cities.. coastal cities if possible.
[20:23] ozzykp: maybe....
[20:23] condor223: lol
[20:23] condor223: we are the thre fat cats in the game.
[20:23] wearesingapore: it's the fault of the damn zionists
[20:24] condor223: but spain is pretty close
[20:24] abyssal_nuclei: great reason
[20:24] wearesingapore: heheh
[20:25] wearesingapore: hopefully inca and england wouldn't join on the side of the jews
[20:25] ozzykp: who nkows
[20:25] wearesingapore: especially since it was russian arms that aided the english
[20:25] ozzykp: well remind them of that
[20:25] condor223: hmmm chonokus for you..
[20:25] ozzykp: mm-hmm
[20:26] condor223: what kind of units do you wish china to send to you.
[20:26] wearesingapore: poor chief advisor
[20:26] * wearesingapore feels like he has a split personality
[20:26] condor223: my strength is in being quiet and secretive in allying with you.
[20:26] abyssal_nuclei: Units for the war, or expansion? What should be the primary focus of China?
[20:27] condor223: when i can defend myself properly, i will be glad to join the battle with my own army.. till then, i will recruit eager nephews for you.
[20:27] condor223: some day spain will want our land.
[20:28] condor223: i must be prepared on a long front.
[20:28] wearesingapore: russia has a long front too, it must be pointed out
[20:29] condor223: yes this is so
[20:29] wearesingapore: oh, how to do the free camera rotate thingy again?
[20:29] abyssal_nuclei: Seems to me that it will be in the distant future and you should take that land first
[20:29] ozzykp: ctrl + alt + f
[20:29] condor223: and the one southern coastal city needs to be helped.
[20:29] abyssal_nuclei: That is true
[20:30] wearesingapore: and the option in the ini file?
[20:30] wearesingapore: nwm, found it
[20:30] wearesingapore:
[20:30] ozzykp: yea don't worry about spain
[20:30] ozzykp: and what help does the southern coastal city need? its a size 6
[20:30] ozzykp: that's a damn nice city already
[20:30] wearesingapore: yeah, pop-rush is your friend
[20:30] ozzykp: bigger than all my cities besides delhi
[20:31] abyssal_nuclei: I think that what needs to be helped is the 'one' part
[20:31] ozzykp: and you've got iron next to it, so it should have decent production
[20:31] ozzykp: yea, build more cities
[20:32] ozzykp: and then send those advanced crossbows our way so we can use them against the americans
[20:32] wearesingapore: civ2 advisor: BUILD MORE CITIES!!!!!
[20:32] ozzykp: hehe
[20:33] abyssal_nuclei: good idea, you don't think that Spain will enter the war, seeing it as a good reason to expand thier lands?
[20:33] wearesingapore: i think it best that china doesn't officially join the war for now
[20:33] ozzykp: yea
[20:33] ozzykp: just funnel us units, not get involved directly
[20:33] wearesingapore: not until the chokunus come knocking >
[20:34] condor223: China said as much.. the great Han leader has ordered to expand.
[20:34] wearesingapore: funnel, as in gift?
[20:34] abyssal_nuclei: yeah
[20:34] condor223: yes
[20:34] condor223: so get ready to support an army
[20:34] abyssal_nuclei: so China doesn't have to get 'officialy' involved
[20:34] ozzykp: yea
[20:34] abyssal_nuclei: of course they will know when the Chokonus are used against them
[20:34] ozzykp: if you build them we'll support them
[20:35] ozzykp: yea, but they won't have an ability to hit china anyways, there is a big ol' india in the way
[20:35] condor223: Many of our warriors are keen to hone their skills.
[20:35] wearesingapore: heheh
[20:36] wearesingapore: how the heck to disable the city name display? :P
[20:36] ozzykp: what?
[20:36] wearesingapore: as in, not see the names of the cities and such while free-rotating the map
[20:37] condor223: you want to change city name?
[20:37] wearesingapore: nah
[20:37] ozzykp: ctrl + b
[20:37] wearesingapore: awesome
[20:37] ozzykp: and ctrl + i gets rid of all the buttons and controls and windows and such
[20:41] wearesingapore: the world is upside down!
[20:42] ozzykp: heh
[20:42] condor223: there are all kinds of hot keys
[20:42] condor223: more than i cared to learn.
[20:45] wearesingapore: ooooo.... ctr b is world builder
[20:45] abyssal_nuclei: Nolan, can you tell me how to unpack the art files?
[20:45] condor223: lol
[20:46] wearesingapore: then again, maybe not?
[20:46] condor223: ah.. i need a hindu monastery and to send spain some missionaries.
[20:46] condor223: i have their religion
[20:47] condor223: may i suggest that you link to the story thread from within the test forum so that the Firaxis team can follow.
[20:48] condor223: im sure they dont realize this new style of game.
[20:48] wearesingapore: oooo
[20:48] wearesingapore: they might though
[20:48] wearesingapore: but never hurts
[20:48] condor223: finding ones way around the public forum is difficult for me.
[20:50] condor223: China will say little in the story thread for now.
[20:50] wearesingapore: aww
[20:50] condor223: what can she say
[20:50] condor223: other than request a marriage alliance.
[20:50] wearesingapore: heh... true, except to declare neutrality...
[20:51] condor223: sounds like a good idea.
[20:51] abyssal_nuclei: talk about the barbarian uprising or comment on the new war
[20:53] ozzykp: talk more about the pyramids
[20:53] ozzykp: there is lots to talk about
[20:58] condor223: my lack of story is also a hesitancy in taking sides... at least in public
[20:58] condor223: saying little makes china the mystery.
[20:58] wearesingapore: you need not tell the story from the emperor's pov all the time
[20:59] condor223: kuno, i had a stroke 9 years ago.
[20:59] abyssal_nuclei: If you were to say a little it would still be mysterious but even moreso, because they would know that there was a mystery.
[20:59] condor223: flowing writing is very difficult for me.
[20:59] condor223: i have to use that as part of the story.
[21:00] condor223: im lucky to be writing again.
[21:00] wearesingapore: ^_^;; sorry, i wasn't implying anything about your style of writing
[21:00] abyssal_nuclei: good idea, Spain would be much more wary to enter a war if they knew that India and Russia would back you up, or even if they thought that India and Russia might back you up.
[21:00] condor223: it took a year of playing caesar 3 to get hand eye coordination going.. thats how i got involved in gaming.
[21:01] abyssal_nuclei: After you start giving Chukonus it wont be much of secret anyway

[LzPrst]

good call! I'll throw mine out soon.

[Robert]

Read this part of the chat we had during the battle of Madras:

17:49] Lazer KP: he is demanding madras for peace
[17:49] Lazer KP: [17:48] robert: I can move them to Novogrod, the city that's already under seige
[17:48] robert: I will let your armies leave Madras
[17:48] robert: then I'll give you a cease fire
[17:48] robert: and even peace
[17:48] robert: If not, then I'll move to the west after I have token MAdras
[17:49] Lazer KP: if i let you have madras?
[17:49] robert: I will take Madras anyway
[17:49] robert: It is lost.
[17:49] robert: You can decide where my armies go after they have token Madras
[17:49] robert: To the West or to the North
[17:49] robert: To India or to Russia
[17:50] LBPBumout: Tell them they can go to hell.
[17:50] LBPBumout: Where they can await their King.
[17:50] Lazer KP: hehe
[17:50] LBPBumout: Seriously, say that.
[17:50] LBPBumout: Its bad ass.
[17:50] Lazer KP: hehe
[17:50] Lazer KP: i'm gonna let him talk a bit
[17:51] Lazer KP: he is totally full of himself heh
[17:51] LBPBumout: He is.
[17:51] LBPBumout: The only thing is, we may have to chalk Madras up as a loss for now, my forces are still very far from the battles.
[17:51] Lazer KP: [17:49] robert: Remember that the cultural defense is totally gone
[17:49] robert: my two catapults will destroy the rest of the defense
[17:49] Lazer KP: yes
[17:50] robert: You can save your armies from the city, and retreath them to India
[17:50] robert: Or you can lose them with the city
[17:50] robert: All allies will have peace with you
[17:50] robert: and remove all units from your territory
[17:50] robert: That's my offer. Madras in exchange for peace.
[17:51] robert: You can think about it.
[17:51] Lazer KP: How about you give up Boston for peace to avoid your daughter rotating on a spit outside my palace in Delhi.
[17:52] Lazer KP: but yea.... i may lose madras...
[17:53] LBPBumout: Well, que sera sera
[17:55] Lazer KP: [17:53] Lazer KP: I have no time for your threats
[17:53] robert: I give you an opening
[17:53] robert: You know that the city of Madras is lost.
[17:53] robert: I offer you peace
[17:54] Lazer KP: Madras is too important to India. But I shall remember this.
[17:54] Lazer KP: When the time comes and the momentum has shifted I will be demanding Washington for peace.
[17:54] robert: Sure you will
[17:54] robert: And you do, and the odds are on your side, I will give in
[17:54] robert: since I'd rather have the people of Washington live under your commands, then that they'll be death while I'm their leader

It's a chat between Spain (Capo) and India (Ozzy), Ozzy pastes the discussion I (America) was having with him to show it to Spain. It's clear that both Spain and India fear that Madras is lost and the American armies (combined with French and German reinforcements) are too powerfull at this moment.

In the end America was never able to take Madras because of a French sub who spoiled 5 (FIVE) good axemen against the India defense BEFORE my 5 catapults would've token that defense down for a big part. (If he would have waited his 5 axemen would have destroyed the indian defense)

Anyway, I wonder, Ozzy, why you never accepted my peace offer? I'm sure that at that very moment I was on the upperhand and my offer, Madras for peace, was reasonable. You did not and luck was on your side so you could keep Madras and catch Boston later (which was no matter of luck but master war-tactics from your side). Were you gambling? Or was it 'arrogance' to never give up a city for peace?

[KunojiLym]

The sum of my communications with Spain; more to come later

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Session Start (Crostothlay:LBPBUMOUT): Sun Mar 26 06:57:36 2006
Crostothlay: letter to the editor: the hanging gardens in moscow was, in fact, the latter of the two great projects by alexander iii
LBPBUMOUT: Okay, I will edit it.
Crostothlay: quite an amusing read btw ^_^
LBPBUMOUT: Yeah, I do these every week,.
LBPBUMOUT: Well, if there's enough going on.
Crostothlay: i know; this week is more amusing than most others since 'it's all about russia'
LBPBUMOUT: Well, nobody else really did anything.
LBPBUMOUT: Except for the war, but that was my top story.
Crostothlay: the indians build the great library and the chinese built the pyramids!
LBPBUMOUT: I try to report on foreign-issues from a Spanish perspective.
Crostothlay:
LBPBUMOUT: Yeah but the Indians didn't finish it just yet.
LBPBUMOUT: They just told you they did, its finished next turn.
LBPBUMOUT: Which I guarantee you will piss off Germany.
Crostothlay: but it says it's already completed
LBPBUMOUT: Where?
Crostothlay: in dehli, check the top 5 cities report
LBPBUMOUT: That's because its the next turn.
LBPBUMOUT: When we stopped the game it wasn't done.
LBPBUMOUT: But Ozzy saved on the next turn so it would be up there, believe me, its not exactly done yet.
LBPBUMOUT: And Lz is going to hate Ozzy because he told him he would be done in two turns so Ozzy rushed it.
LBPBUMOUT: Which is ****ed up.
Crostothlay: the library was done in 130 ad
Crostothlay: heh, ozzy said as much
Crostothlay: pyramids in 140 ad
LBPBUMOUT: I don't think Lz realizes.
LBPBUMOUT: Is my point.
Crostothlay: ozzy is going to make a deal of it in his post though
Crostothlay: but anyway, yeah, the library was already done by the end of the session (150 ad)
LBPBUMOUT: The Gardens were dedicated to Sita?
Crostothlay: more to the nicoyama, but people compare it to sita more
LBPBUMOUT: Did you like how I suggested people in Toledo go see the lighthouse.
LBPBUMOUT: I thought that was kind of funny.
Crostothlay: hehehe, it was pretty cute
LBPBUMOUT: See Kuno, see how much effort the Spanish press goes through to get the story right, I am editing the entire article now.
Crostothlay: you need free speech
LBPBUMOUT: This newspaper is only for you guys, not for my people.
Crostothlay: imperial press release, huh
LBPBUMOUT: Royal.
LBPBUMOUT: We don't have an empire.
Crostothlay: okay, royal
LBPBUMOUT: Spain is concerned, however, about the propensity of India and Russia to incite conflict among other countries.
LBPBUMOUT: We're keeping on eye on the both of you.
Crostothlay: Russia notes that she stood aloft from the conflicts between England and Germany, for the most part
LBPBUMOUT: No, Russia goes with India.
LBPBUMOUT: El Cid may be new to the scene, but he is not stupid.
LBPBUMOUT: So don't talk to him like he is. I know what's going on.
LBPBUMOUT: As long as Russia and India keep their noses out of Spanish affairs we won't have a problem.
Crostothlay: India is Russia's dearest friend, to be sure. That is why Russia acts as a voice of calm and reason in the partnership.
LBPBUMOUT: Maybe you can enlighten me as to why India was quick to go from neutral to non-neutral in the conflict then?
LBPBUMOUT: Or what India was giving Germany and America logistic information about England.
LBPBUMOUT: Because that doesn't seem very neutral, and for a country who is allied to India by marriage you seem to be acting a little coy with me.
Crostothlay: Russia is quite unaware of this, but then, my predecessor was much occupied with the Zionists rebels.
LBPBUMOUT: I mean, c'mon. I know how Ozzy plays.
LBPBUMOUT: And also, if you are having so much trouble with these Zionists, why is your "wife" helping the Jewish countries in the south?
LBPBUMOUT: I'm just saying, its a little suspicious.
Crostothlay: Russia notes your concern, but is sure that India is acting with the best interests of Terra in heart. We are, after all, all for peace in our time.
LBPBUMOUT: I know, you have nothing to do with any of this.
Crostothlay: But we shall relay the message
LBPBUMOUT: Russia may be, but India is not.
LBPBUMOUT: You can't be for peace and foster war.
LBPBUMOUT: Thank you.
LBPBUMOUT: And its cute that the Indians spend their time fighting cute little animals with cute little swords, but I assure you, if this goes unchecked the Spanish army is not made up of cute little animals with cute little swords.
LBPBUMOUT: We simply ask the Russians to help Spain keep the peace.
Crostothlay: Duly noted.
LBPBUMOUT: Well then good day sir.
LBPBUMOUT: Peace be with you.
Session Close (LBPBUMOUT): Sun Mar 26 09:53:37 2006


Session Start (Crostothlay:LBPBUMOUT): Wed Mar 29 06:36:13 2006
Crostothlay: you there?
LBPBUMOUT: Yo, I'm here.
Crostothlay: got the pm?
LBPBUMOUT: No, I'll check it out now, you can tell me here too if you want to.
LBPBUMOUT: I'm kinda of in a hurry, so it would help.
Crostothlay: basically, the chief advisor leaks a letter to the madrid monitor
LBPBUMOUT: The Chief Advisor to the Tsar right?
LBPBUMOUT: Not my cheif advisor.
Crostothlay: yep
LBPBUMOUT: Alright, and why should I run this?
Crostothlay: the letter is that of the rabbi in the twilight years of nicholas's rule detailing the zionist's plans and rationale for deposing him
Crostothlay: the reason is to 'clear some of the air'
Crostothlay: and the chief advisor wishes to remain anoymous
Crostothlay: the letter wasn't more specific than that
Crostothlay: though feel free to ask for clarifications
LBPBUMOUT: We will not run something we believe to be fake, or politicized.
LBPBUMOUT: We are a reputable paper.
LBPBUMOUT: How did he come accross this information anyway?
Crostothlay: it has been sitting in the archives for quite some time; it was retrieved from the rabbi after his defeat during the Zionist troubles
LBPBUMOUT: I see.
LBPBUMOUT: Alright, we'll run it.
Crostothlay: i thank you
LBPBUMOUT: But Spanish officials will speak on it, and Spanish officials are whole-heartedly against the war, as it goes against Buddhist principles.
Crostothlay: i understand, of course
Crostothlay: we as russian officials are not keen on this war, ourselves
LBPBUMOUT: And Spain further sees it for what it really is.
LBPBUMOUT: So no amount of propoganda will change our view.
Crostothlay: i did not seek to change your view. i only seek to control the damage that has already been done by our tsar
LBPBUMOUT: We are also dismayed that both Russia and her ally India IGNORED our letter.
Crostothlay: please keep this conversation off he record; my life is forfeit should the tsar learn of what i have said.
LBPBUMOUT: For a summit.
LBPBUMOUT: This displeases El Cid.
LBPBUMOUT: I have to go, I will send this news directly to the King and to the press.
LBPBUMOUT: Err, whatever we use to make newspapers.
LBPBUMOUT: Peace.
Crostothlay: if it pleases you, i may write a letter personally to el cid explaining the situation, later. peace
LBPBUMOUT: I'm sure he would like that.
Crostothlay: but i must request the utmost secrecy about this exchange, for the reasons i have stated earlier
Session Close (LBPBUMOUT): Thu Mar 30 00:44:15 2006


Session Start (Crostothlay:LBPBUMOUT): Sat Apr 01 04:57:02 2006
Crostothlay: *poke*
Crostothlay: wanted to follow up a bit on the PM exchange before the session
LBPBUMOUT: What are you speaking about?
Crostothlay: the exchange of letters between father john and the toledo governor
LBPBUMOUT: The Toledo governor can only speak for letters, I am Spain.
LBPBUMOUT: Not the Toledo governor :">
Crostothlay: aww
LBPBUMOUT: for = through.
Crostothlay: can't you have like, split personalities?
LBPBUMOUT: I guess.
LBPBUMOUT: Fine, what did you want to discuss
LBPBUMOUT: ?
Crostothlay: A point of clarification, with regards to the last letter
LBPBUMOUT: The governor of Toledo follows the Christian faith, and hopes that the Russians can find a place in their hearts for the same kind of religious tolerence we have in Spain.
LBPBUMOUT: That's all.
Crostothlay: So you believe, my brother in faith, that I should journey to Madrid herself, and seek an audience with the King of Spain himself?
LBPBUMOUT: It depends on what you ask of him.
LBPBUMOUT: If your request is too ridiculous he may turn you over to Russian authorities.
Crostothlay: I seek only for help in easing the ferment of our presecution; indeed of that of all faiths in Russia.
LBPBUMOUT: Well then you should be fine, but as I've said, it depends on how you suggest El Cid do that.
Crostothlay: I thank you for your council. *journeys to Madrid and seeks an audience with the King*
LBPBUMOUT: Yes?
Crostothlay: On behalf of the Christian faith and other presecuted faiths in Russia, I humbly ask for your aid and assistance.
LBPBUMOUT: Go on...
Crostothlay: Due to the actions of a small section of zealous Zionists, our brethen, and our Jewish cousins, who only seek to practice our faith in peace, are falling under greater duress. This has only been worsened by the troubles with America, as you must already know.
LBPBUMOUT: Please, I am a very busy man. What is it you want Spain to do?
Crostothlay: As the leader of the most tolerant country in Terra, I ask, if you would, that you lend your moral authority in speaking out against this injustice
LBPBUMOUT: I have done so on numerous occasions.
Crostothlay: Perhaps, too, if I may be so bold, Spain might send her emissnaries to Russia herself, to bear witness to these atrocities.
LBPBUMOUT: Spain understands the horrors of war, we wish this wasn't happening, but we can do more than what we have already done.
LBPBUMOUT: Russia and India decide their own fates.
Crostothlay: *bows head* I understand, your majesty. A last request, if I may... should the presecution prove overmuch, we, the Christian community, would request sanctuary in Spain. If that is agreeable with you?
LBPBUMOUT: Spain will offer sanctuary pending real atrocities. And we will again attempt to convince the Russians towards peace, but we can do no more than speak. We do not wish to offend Ivan.
Crostothlay: Thank you, your majesty.
LBPBUMOUT: Your welcome, good luck to you sir.
LBPBUMOUT: You're*
Session Close (LBPBUMOUT): Thu Apr 06 22:46:41 2006

[KunojiLym]

Session Start (Crostothlay:LBPBUMOUT): Tue May 02 12:48:32 2006
Crostothlay: Russia has learned from the Madrid Monitor that Spain has been giving technologies to the Jewish and Northern nations in exchange for open borders.
LBPBUMOUT: This is accurate.
LBPBUMOUT: To a point at least.
LBPBUMOUT: Music was given to the Jews in exchange for Open Borders.
Crostothlay: Could you care to clarify?
Crostothlay: Which technologies, specifically, besides Music?
LBPBUMOUT: I gave Germany, America, and France music respectively.
LBPBUMOUT: That's it.
Crostothlay: Thank you for your frankness... however, we would like it if you would inform us of such deals in advance in the future.
LBPBUMOUT: I'm sorry but that is impossible.
LBPBUMOUT: Spain has no obligations to Russia.
LBPBUMOUT: In fact, Russia disrespected our Queen by ignoring her message.
LBPBUMOUT: As did Russia's allies the Chinese and Indians.
Crostothlay: We did not disregard your message, though we cannot speak for our allies on this matter.
LBPBUMOUT: We recieved no response.
LBPBUMOUT: We're not hard to find, Spain is quite large.
LBPBUMOUT: Further we don't appreciate the manner in which you question us.
Crostothlay: Very well, then. We will not press the issue further.
LBPBUMOUT: Thank you.
LBPBUMOUT: Russia can trust Spain, we assure you we would never allow the Jewish scum to become strong.
LBPBUMOUT: It was necessary to get maps of their territory.
LBPBUMOUT: And the technology we gave them is uselss.
Crostothlay: In that, we share a common interest.
LBPBUMOUT: The question I have is this; why do you feel it necessary for Spain to talk over our deals with Russia?
LBPBUMOUT: This troubles Queen Isabella.
Crostothlay: Surely you recall the wartime alliance against the Star Alliance
LBPBUMOUT: Of course.
LBPBUMOUT: And last time I checked the three of you summarily forgot about Spain, I have heard nothing from you until now.
LBPBUMOUT: If you want Spain's cooperation you must cooperate with Spain.
LBPBUMOUT: Otherwise Spain will do as she sees fit.
Crostothlay: This is unfair to Russia; we *have* responded a few times to your messages.
LBPBUMOUT: The last message calling for a northern summit was ignored.
Crostothlay: But we acknowledge that our allies may not have been as forthcoming
LBPBUMOUT: And frankly, you go with your allies.
LBPBUMOUT: So the actions of your allies can be attributed to you.
LBPBUMOUT: We feel that the three of you have forgotten our support.
LBPBUMOUT: While we harbor no ill-will towards you, we feel you consider Spain a non-issue.
Crostothlay: Russia assures you that your support is not forgotten, at least in this part of the world
LBPBUMOUT: That may be true.
LBPBUMOUT: But China and Spain were in the middle of working out a deal one minute, then the next they say they can't do it anymore.
LBPBUMOUT: Because of their allies.
LBPBUMOUT: Which means we are disincluded, and thus pushed aside.
LBPBUMOUT: This does not sit well with the Queen.
LBPBUMOUT: My main point is that we will not be vassalized.
LBPBUMOUT: Nor will we be marginalized, or controlled.
Crostothlay: And Spain is hardly a non-issue. In fact, China has expressed private concerns about... well, that is true. China did come to us to consult on dealings with Spain.
LBPBUMOUT: China mistrusts Spain.
LBPBUMOUT: But that is not our fault, it is Chiense greed that plagues their eyes.
LBPBUMOUT: Not Spain's intent.
LBPBUMOUT: We have done nothing to the Chinese, yet they feel we are a threat to them.
Crostothlay: We can confirm as much, but we feel that it is as much Chinese fears of possible Spanish expansion as it is Spais' reciprocal worries.
LBPBUMOUT: Now I say to you; if Spain constantly told the world that they felt the Russians were going to attack them, how would Russia see Spain?
Crostothlay: *spain's
LBPBUMOUT: The fact of the matter is that Spain never once encroached on Chinese lands, or made any attempt to settle near the Chinese homeland.
LBPBUMOUT: In fact, I feel quite foolish even entertaining the notion that we mean harm to China.
Crostothlay: China has always been an insecure nation, we feel. Their early troubles with the barbarians and with early Spanish expansion are writ in history. It is not unnatural that they should harbor such fears, however unfounded it may be in truth
LBPBUMOUT: Spanish expansion?
LBPBUMOUT: Impossible.
LBPBUMOUT: Barcelona and Seville are our border cities with China.
Crostothlay: When Spain was not yet unified, you must understand.
LBPBUMOUT: They are ancient cities.
LBPBUMOUT: And right next to our capital, there is no way China can claim we are expansionists.
LBPBUMOUT: We even allowed your ally India to "visit" (ie Spy on) our territory without complaint.
Crostothlay: Regardless, that is how the Chinese view Spain. But Russia can offer to meditate between Spain and China, if this is such an issue
Crostothlay: We *do* understand your position, I reassure you.
LBPBUMOUT: We are simply saying; we took your side when the English claimed you were aggressors.
LBPBUMOUT: And now you are giving us reason to question our decisions.
LBPBUMOUT: If the Chinese insist we are aggressive to their allies, how can we be asked to trust you?
Crostothlay: This is why we offer to meditate; to clear the fog of misunderstanding between China and Spain
LBPBUMOUT: When your ally sees us, who supported your war openly even when your ally hid behind you, as aggressive how long will it be until Russian soldiers march into Spain?
LBPBUMOUT: I am merely saying, Spain declared war, Spain joined the fighting.
LBPBUMOUT: The Chinese are cowards!
LBPBUMOUT: If you mediate this issue we would be in your debt.
LBPBUMOUT: We've always maintained peaceful relations with the Chinese, we have no intentions against them.
Crostothlay: The Chinese are insecure, as I have mentioned. Perhaps it means that they are cowards, viewed from other eyes. And yes, we are willing to meditate.
LBPBUMOUT: I only call them cowards because they didn't declare war on England, Inca, Germany, France or America.
LBPBUMOUT: What kind of ally is that?
LBPBUMOUT: Are you aware of what's going on in the south? Are you aware of the plot to annex France?
Crostothlay: Yes, I am aware.
LBPBUMOUT: Germany will be just as big as Russia if they take France.
LBPBUMOUT: They will force America into submission.
LBPBUMOUT: And they will have the support of England and the Inca.
LBPBUMOUT: They will be stronger, and I can't promise Spain will help this time around.
Crostothlay: ....Put that way, this is a cause for concern indeed. We cannot afford to have the Jewish nations united
LBPBUMOUT: Unless we can improve our relations.
LBPBUMOUT: Spain's record speaks for itself; we helped you in the war, we allowed your troops to map our territory centuries ago (do you remember that?), we allowed your ally to map our territory, we have nothing to hide.
LBPBUMOUT: Chinese concerns are unfounded.
LBPBUMOUT: That is all I am saying.
Crostothlay: It would be more helpful to repeat that to the Chinese; as I have said, Russia understands where you are coming from. We repeat our offer to meditate between China and Spain. You are both important neighbours, along with India.
LBPBUMOUT: The Chinese will merely think we are trying to fool them.
LBPBUMOUT: When we do actually talk, it isn't very pleasant.
Crostothlay: Hence why we are offering to meditate
LBPBUMOUT: Queen Isabella thanks you for your candor.
LBPBUMOUT: Let Russia and Spain be friends for eternity!
Crostothlay: May it be so!
LBPBUMOUT: On that note I must go, it was good speaking with you. As long as we understand what Germany is up to we can work against it.
LBPBUMOUT: England is certainly behind this.
LBPBUMOUT: I must go, hail Peter the Great!
Crostothlay: Indeed, the Star Alliance bears watching. Fare you well, and long life to Queen Isabella!
Session Close (LBPBUMOUT): Fri May 05 10:31:16 2006


Session Start (Crostothlay:LBPBUMOUT): Tue May 09 09:19:12 2006
LBPBUMOUT: Kuno did you read my letter to America?
Crostothlay: yeah
Crostothlay: it was cool
LBPBUMOUT: Yeah, but it may have been too much.
Crostothlay: as long as it's ic peter is trying to be the diplomat here, meanwhile
LBPBUMOUT: Alright, well, that could be good.
LBPBUMOUT: Its like good cop bad cop.
LBPBUMOUT: Do you know about that?
Crostothlay: yeah
LBPBUMOUT: Exactly, we Catholics have to stick together you know.
Crostothlay: XD
Crostothlay: the pope is a weak peace-loving hippie though heh
LBPBUMOUT: So, you thought it was cool huh?
Crostothlay: so did ozzy XD
Crostothlay: oh yeah. what is the relation between the spanish catholic church and the main catholic church based in moscow?
LBPBUMOUT: We support and are part of the Catholic Church in Moscow.
LBPBUMOUT: But we are in Spain.
LBPBUMOUT: So we are the Spanish Catholic Church.
LBPBUMOUT: We learned Christianity from Russia, so we follow its doctirnes.
LBPBUMOUT: doctrines*
LBPBUMOUT: I gotta, go.
LBPBUMOUT: I'll talk to you later.
Crostothlay: later
Session Start (Crostothlay:LBPBUMOUT): Wed May 10 12:21:25 2006
LBPBUMOUT: What's up?
LBPBUMOUT: I just put up a new letter, to Germany.
Crostothlay: cool
LBPBUMOUT: Check it out.
LBPBUMOUT: This is going to result in a war.
Crostothlay: doing so now
LBPBUMOUT: We have to keep the Inca and English out of it.
Crostothlay: yeah, agreed
Crostothlay: time to write some private correspondance, heh
LBPBUMOUT: To the English and Inca?
LBPBUMOUT: Yes, but the problem is who writes it?
Crostothlay: i'll do it
LBPBUMOUT: It can't be me, because they don't know I'm allied to India, and if I come off too strong it will look bad.
Crostothlay: seeing that i'm the host of the proposed summit, i think that i'll be the best candidate to write the letter
LBPBUMOUT: Alright, we have to ensure that even when you join the war, and even when I join the war they won't want to.
Crostothlay: definatedly
Crostothlay: right, i've fired off the pm
LBPBUMOUT: Nice.
LBPBUMOUT: What'd you say?
Crostothlay: essentially, that russia is working towards peace, but in the event of war, russia will have to come to india's aid
Crostothlay: in addition, that any southern conflict is not in the north's interest, and russia has no quarrel with them; they should concentrate their energies on the new world instead
LBPBUMOUT: Nice.
Crostothlay: ty
Session Close (LBPBUMOUT): Thu May 11 10:22:46 2006


Session Start (Crostothlay:LBPBUMOUT): Thu May 11 10:24:41 2006
LBPBUMOUT: What happened?
Crostothlay: well, germany and america appeared at the appointed time, but america had to leave after half an hour
Crostothlay: so right now, i'm treating the chat as pre-summit proceedings
Crostothlay: as to what was said... germany suggested that america keep boston, but compensate india with a supply of silk from the boston plains
Crostothlay: and in addition, that boston be an open city, to alleviate indian fears of invasion
Crostothlay: this was after america left... america basically reiterated what they had mentioned in their last letter
Crostothlay: spoke to india later... the counter proposal is that boston be returned to india, fully fortified, but india will supply silk to america
Crostothlay: that's the gist of it all
LBPBUMOUT: Can you send me a copy of the transcript?
Crostothlay: sure... how do you want it sent?
LBPBUMOUT: PM at Apolyton.
LBPBUMOUT: If possible.
Crostothlay: righto
LBPBUMOUT: Thank you.
LBPBUMOUT: When is the summit going to occur?
Crostothlay: hopefully we can organize something by tonight

[KunojiLym]

Session Start (Crostothlay:LBPBUMOUT): Fri May 12 14:50:42 2006
LBPBUMOUT: Hey, I don't think he realized it but America ADMITTED that Germany, and France, knew of the attack before it occured.
LBPBUMOUT: Thus, they were complicit in it, because their troops were used.
Crostothlay: the latest post that is?
LBPBUMOUT: 4. America has planned the besieging of Boston all by itself. It didn't want to have an open world war break out again. All allies have been informed shortly in advance (on which the German and the French insisted that their units should not be used for offensive purposes, which was no problem since America had more use for city defense)
The allies were asked to not intervene in the war and stay neutral, once again: to prevent an open world war to break out again.

LBPBUMOUT: No, this is a rather old post, but nobody seemed to notice
Crostothlay: heh, you could do so
Crostothlay: i'm writing up the post of the results of the summit... as soon as i finish thst SP civ game ;p
LBPBUMOUT: So, hold on, the summit occured?
LBPBUMOUT: What was the result?
Crostothlay: india said that boston was non-negotiable, essentially
Crostothlay: and walked out
LBPBUMOUT: On what pretense?
Crostothlay: that the jewish nations weren't interestexd in a compromise
Crostothlay: this will be elaborated on in my post
LBPBUMOUT: When will your post be up?
Crostothlay: but now that russia has played the role of peacebroker, i think my role in supporting the war cannot be too overt
Crostothlay: in about an hour's time, i suppose
LBPBUMOUT: So you are trying to say that you can't fight?
Crostothlay: ...when it boils down to it, yeah, though i *will* be sending troops south
LBPBUMOUT: Alright.
LBPBUMOUT: So Russia will remain neutral?
Crostothlay: yeah, officially
LBPBUMOUT: It makes no sense. How can Spain declare war without Russia?
Crostothlay: we are 'observers'
LBPBUMOUT: I rely on your mastery of Christendom to declare war, otherwise I have no place in it.
LBPBUMOUT: And if I have no place in it, India has no allies, and if India has no allies it loses.
Crostothlay: hmm
LBPBUMOUT: I thought you were publicly allied to India.
LBPBUMOUT: You must fight.
Crostothlay: we are
LBPBUMOUT: Despite the fact that you tried to broker peace, you didn't, you failed.
LBPBUMOUT: So now you must fight.
LBPBUMOUT: If Russia shrinks from this... Spainish Christians may find it difficult to trust the church in Russia.
Crostothlay: what is the mood of the spanish right now?
LBPBUMOUT: In what regard?
LBPBUMOUT: We were going to a Holy war if the Pope in Russia deems it so.
Crostothlay: with regards to the south, the church, and to india
LBPBUMOUT: Otherwise, we see no reason to fight this war.
Crostothlay: ...heh, the pope is a wimp
LBPBUMOUT: Then so is Spain?!
LBPBUMOUT: Spain!*
Crostothlay: peter and the pope are at loggerheads, actually
LBPBUMOUT: Listen.
LBPBUMOUT: I don't care, Spain will follow Russia.
Crostothlay: heh, alright then. incidentally, both germany and american have requested christian missionaries
LBPBUMOUT: I know, Germany asked me for some.
LBPBUMOUT: Maybe...
LBPBUMOUT: well, nevermind...
LBPBUMOUT: I'm just saying.
Crostothlay: continue the thought?
LBPBUMOUT: India isn't Christian.
LBPBUMOUT: That's the thought.
Crostothlay: i'm very aware of that
LBPBUMOUT: Obviously.
Crostothlay: and the pope regards india as godless
LBPBUMOUT: Spain doesn't have to regard anything.
LBPBUMOUT: India IS godless.
Crostothlay: heheh
LBPBUMOUT: Look at the recent troubles in India.
LBPBUMOUT: The mass-executions.
LBPBUMOUT: So barbaric, my how they have fallen.
Crostothlay: if peter were more religious, he would agree
LBPBUMOUT: Maybe Peter should speak with Carlos.
LBPBUMOUT: Carlos is VERY religious.
LBPBUMOUT: And VERY rich.
Crostothlay: heheh
Crostothlay: we could do that right now, actually
LBPBUMOUT: I'm simply saying.
Crostothlay: have it be a post-summit meeting
LBPBUMOUT: Why should Spain and Russia die for India.
LBPBUMOUT: ?
Crostothlay: peter and carlos meeting
LBPBUMOUT: We can start it now if you're down.
Crostothlay: sure, lemme shut down this game first
LBPBUMOUT: Alright.
LBPBUMOUT: His most Catholic Majesty Carlos Dodabella Diaz V de Aragon y Castilla greets you.
Crostothlay: I, Peter II, Tsar of the Russian Empire, welcome you to the summit.
Crostothlay: Well, the aftermath of the summit, really.
LBPBUMOUT: It has become increasingly apparent that India lays designs that disregard the safety, and sanctity of our nations.
LBPBUMOUT: They have balked at your most generous peace summit.
LBPBUMOUT: And have ignored numerous attempts by our diplomats to gain peace with America.
LBPBUMOUT: Quite frankly, Spain would have acted in the same manner as the Americans if we were in their shoes.
LBPBUMOUT: A Spanish city under foreign rule is an horrible thing, and we would not like it.
LBPBUMOUT: And; in the service of his Holyness the Pope, we should attempt to gain peace.
Crostothlay: To be quite honest myself, I was not expecting India to back off from Boston.
LBPBUMOUT: Neither was I.
LBPBUMOUT: But you said it yourself, they left the meeting.
LBPBUMOUT: I am not condemning India
LBPBUMOUT: I am saying they made a mistake in the summit.
Crostothlay: Indeed, they did. They certainly didn't leave a good impression to all parties concerned.
LBPBUMOUT: Who was present?
Crostothlay: Germany and America, besides India and Russia. Which would be all the main parties involved in the dispute.
LBPBUMOUT: Why did India flee so readily from the summit?
Crostothlay: (( the ooc reason was that he had to be somewhere after half an hour ))

Well, I think it is because they saw that neither America nor Germany would give way with regards to the soverigenity of Boston
LBPBUMOUT: Understood, clearly they must have known that to be the case.
LBPBUMOUT: That was the POINT of the summit, no?
Crostothlay: I did suggest co-sharing ownership of Boston, but the Indians rejected it out of hand... yes, that was the stated aim of the summit.
Crostothlay: To settle the question of Boston. There were other issues, but they could not move forth without Boston being settled.
LBPBUMOUT: So my question to you is twofold Tsar; (1) What does his Holiness the Pope think SPAIN should do? and (2) What would his majesty Peter II want SPAIN to do?
Crostothlay: The Pope? His abhorence of the new India is pretty well-known
LBPBUMOUT: And the Tsar?
Crostothlay: As for myself?
LBPBUMOUT: Yes, the Tsar.
Crostothlay: I act in the best interests of Russia. Right now, my hands are tied in this regard.
LBPBUMOUT: Am I not in audience with His Majesty? (remember, Monarchs are NOT to be addressed directly)
LBPBUMOUT: Your Majesty, I mean no disrespect, but you can not expect me to accept such an answer.
LBPBUMOUT: Am I not your ally?
LBPBUMOUT: Is Spain not the sister of Russia?
Crostothlay: ...Yes, our nations are sisters in faith.
LBPBUMOUT: You know well that Spain has no direct cause to enter this dispute.
LBPBUMOUT: Likewise, Russia has no cause to enter this conflic.
LBPBUMOUT: Conflict*
LBPBUMOUT: So where shall the states of Christ land?
LBPBUMOUT: In the hands of India? Or away from this war?
Crostothlay: *taps his chin*
LBPBUMOUT: Do you wish for my view?
Crostothlay: ....We will remain neutral.
Crostothlay: Yes, of course.
LBPBUMOUT: Before you regail you with Spain's position.
LBPBUMOUT: You must explain.
LBPBUMOUT: Russia shall be neutral?
Crostothlay: I have said as much to the southern states; Russia shall be a neutral observer of the conflict once it erupts.
LBPBUMOUT: Do not tell Spain what you tell those heathens.
LBPBUMOUT: What is Russia going to do, ally to ally?
Crostothlay: *raises an eyebrow slightly, then smiles*
Crostothlay: We will stay behind the scenes. The south has expressed interest in converting to Christianity; I am loath to give that up.
LBPBUMOUT: I as well.
LBPBUMOUT: They have asked me for missionaries.
LBPBUMOUT: In this matter, I must wonder what the Pope wishes of Spain?
LBPBUMOUT: Shall we lend a hand in God's Kingdom?
Crostothlay: Indeed? They have requested the same from the Pope; he has agreed to send his personal advisor down south to spread the Word.
LBPBUMOUT: As will Archbishop Juan Paul III.
LBPBUMOUT: Much shall come of this, I know.
LBPBUMOUT: But all rests on the war.
LBPBUMOUT: What would Russia have Spain do then?
LBPBUMOUT: About the war?
Crostothlay: Indeed. Very well then. Remain neutral in the conflict too.
LBPBUMOUT: How would India react?
Crostothlay: I have not had the opportunity to discuss this with them since the summit's conclusion
Crostothlay: But I doubt the reception would be very warm
LBPBUMOUT: This will certainly cause Germany and America to overtake India!
Crostothlay: If you are concerned about that, there is another way to maintain the balance of power
LBPBUMOUT: I am listening.....
Crostothlay: We can privatedly supply limited arms to India; that is an option. Also, the southern states have sworn that they will only fight a war of defense; my armies will be down there to ensure that it is the case.
LBPBUMOUT: I will agree to your plan on two conditions.
LBPBUMOUT: The first is that Spain and Russia remain allies, as sisters in Christ, regardless of an Indian or Chinese decision.
Crostothlay: And the second?
LBPBUMOUT: The second is that we keep our conversations regarding such agreements as private, the others must only know we are aligned through faith, and not politics.
LBPBUMOUT: Other than that we maintain all (military and scientific) cooperation agreements.
Crostothlay: Very well, I will agree to those terms.
LBPBUMOUT: So it is done.
LBPBUMOUT: For God.
Crostothlay: *smiles slightly* For God, indeed.
LBPBUMOUT: So, how go those roads?
LBPBUMOUT: When I marched into Russia, during the Great War, there were no roads.
Crostothlay: There is now a continuous link from China to India through Russia
LBPBUMOUT: Fantastic.
Crostothlay: However, the roads are still not as good as they could be to the north
Crostothlay: Wait, let me amend that
LBPBUMOUT: We are also to blame; we should build our roads together.
Crostothlay: The roads to the west are in decent enough conditon... aye, that would be most helpful
LBPBUMOUT: By the way, inform the Pope we will begin sending missionaries.
LBPBUMOUT: As soon as possible.
Crostothlay: I will pass the message to him, he will be most delighted by the news, I am sure.
LBPBUMOUT: I regret to inform Your Majesty that I must depart.
LBPBUMOUT: Buenas noches, Peter II.
Crostothlay: Safe travels, then, Emperor Carlos.

Crostothlay: you need to speak with the pope, i presume
LBPBUMOUT: Yes, give me a second.
LBPBUMOUT: I told India that I am worried you will not fight, and he went berzerk.
LBPBUMOUT: So good luck with that.
Crostothlay: heh
LBPBUMOUT: I didn't tell him about our designs though, I just based it all on the thread.
LBPBUMOUT: So don't worry, he doesn't KNOW anything.
Crostothlay: heheh
Crostothlay: tell me when you're ready
LBPBUMOUT: Alright, I'm ready.
Crostothlay: right, let's get this jog started
Crostothlay: jig, even
LBPBUMOUT: Hey listen, what happened with India?
LBPBUMOUT: Talk to me here, your Holiness (wink wink)
Crostothlay: I will have nothing to do with those godless heathens.
LBPBUMOUT: The Indians?
LBPBUMOUT: And what says the Czar (Tsar)?
Crostothlay: Yes, the Indians. The Tsar does not want to be seen as betraying them, I believe, but I say that the Lord forbid that we support such lunacy.
LBPBUMOUT: My question is this, if Spain were to follow the lead of the Pope, would the Tsar look favorably upon us?
Crostothlay: Why concern yourself with the mortal ruler of men? The only one you should have to answer to is the Lord himself, Emperor.
LBPBUMOUT: I'm apologize if these seems inappropriate, but that mortal ruler of men commands the armies of Russia.
LBPBUMOUT: The Pope, despite his wisdom, does not.
LBPBUMOUT: Spain has done nothing but support the aims of the Pope, and we wish only to know that our loyalty will be rewarded.
LBPBUMOUT: You have made promises, you must explain.
Crostothlay: To be quite frank, the Tsar and I do not see eye to eye on the matter of India.
LBPBUMOUT: Well, you must understand Spain's position your Holiness.
LBPBUMOUT: It is hard for us to reconcile our faith with our allegience to Russia, if you are not more candid.
Crostothlay: I deplore his involvement in this issue, but if you ask me... by the way, what is the nature of your following my lead, Emperor? Perhaps you may be more specific.
LBPBUMOUT: What would the church have Spain do?
LBPBUMOUT: I follow Christ, but am responsible for Spain.
LBPBUMOUT: Therefore my moral mind tells me to help you in your efforts to spread the faith to the south.
LBPBUMOUT: By my King is bound to your Tsar.
LBPBUMOUT: So I must know the TSAR's position, and what the TSAR will do.
Crostothlay: Then why do you ask me? I am the Pope, not the Tsar. Unless you are asking for my own personal opinions.
LBPBUMOUT: Surely you must know what the Tsar will do.
LBPBUMOUT: You are the Pope, how could you not know?
Crostothlay: *smiles slightly* The Tsar confides only with his precious Prime Minister. I feel that he views the Church as simply another tool of influence, and he not truely of the faith.
Crostothlay: *is not
Crostothlay: But that is beside the point, no?
Crostothlay: If Spain were to remain entirely neutral, I doubt that the Tsar will object
Crostothlay: That *is* what you were referring to, I presume.
LBPBUMOUT: Forgive me if I may be disrespectful, but you speak with a forked tongue Pope.
LBPBUMOUT: What of the meeting with the Emperor?
LBPBUMOUT: You made promises to Spain.
LBPBUMOUT: And now it seems you claim you have no say in the matters that are DIRECTLY involved with the promises you made.
LBPBUMOUT: I have copied the message, and have saved it, do not test Spain's integrity.
LBPBUMOUT: I am your soldier Pope.
Crostothlay: (( ooc note: the pope was not with the tsar when he met with the emperor ))
LBPBUMOUT: But I will never be your pawn.
LBPBUMOUT: I understand that.
LBPBUMOUT: Then I ask the Tsar, what would he have Spain do?
LBPBUMOUT: And why is he not abiding by the agreement with the Indians?
Crostothlay: *frowns slightly, and taps his chin* ....It is a matter of worldy prestige, as I see it.
LBPBUMOUT: Wordly presitge?
LBPBUMOUT: You will abandon an Ally and your only reason is worldly prestige?
LBPBUMOUT: OOC - Kuno, seriously, what the ****.
LBPBUMOUT: OOC - Are we doing this or not?
Crostothlay: Oh, I am not saying that the Tsar is abandoning India... much as I'd like it to be so
Crostothlay: OOC: Did i mention that the Tsar and the Pope are completely different?
LBPBUMOUT: OOC - Yeah, but I can't commit anything unless you commit anything.
LBPBUMOUT: OOC - And you have been talking around me in circles.
LBPBUMOUT: OOC - And I'm tired of it.
LBPBUMOUT: OOC - So what are we going to do?
Crostothlay: OOC: If you talk to the Tsar, he would answer that Russian will support India covertly
Crostothlay: OOC: This is not something that he has let the Pope known
LBPBUMOUT: I understand.
LBPBUMOUT: Very well, we will operate under those conditions.
LBPBUMOUT: Assuming we still abide by our former agreement as far as the spread of Christianity in the south goes.
Crostothlay: Naturally
Crostothlay: ((now i'm not sure if i'm still speaking as the pope or tsar.... oh, i love MPS XD ))
LBPBUMOUT: Very well, as long as we have a technoligical and military agreement, and a promise to spread the faith in the Jewish states.
LBPBUMOUT: Russia will maintain Spanish support.
Crostothlay: Most certainly
LBPBUMOUT: Can Spain expect the same from Russia? (both to the Tsar and Pope)
LBPBUMOUT: You may answer twice if you must.
Crostothlay: Tsar: You have my word.
Crostothlay: Pope: The faith *will* be spread, God Willing
LBPBUMOUT: Very well.
LBPBUMOUT: The Emperor will make his decision.
Session Close (LBPBUMOUT): Sat May 13 11:49:03 2006

[KunojiLym]

Session Start (Crostothlay:LBPBUMOUT): Thu May 18 16:23:21 2006
Crostothlay: Greetings, Emperor. What brings you here?
LBPBUMOUT: Truthfully, your Holiness, I am discouraged by recent information I have recieved about Archbishop Juan Pedro III.
LBPBUMOUT: Apparently he has given information to the Germans as to the whereabouts of the Spanish army.
LBPBUMOUT: On, apparently, behest of yourself, the Pope.
Crostothlay: *raises an eyebrow* Is that so?
LBPBUMOUT: Yes...
LBPBUMOUT: it is....
LBPBUMOUT: Now, I understand this could be a misunderstanding.
LBPBUMOUT: I would HOPE that your Holiness the Pope, would not sell his BROTHER out.
Crostothlay: I told him to spread the Word down south, as was agreed. I do not seem to recall telling him to involve himself in vulgar military matters.
LBPBUMOUT: Then you must certainly condemn his actions.
LBPBUMOUT: Including the spread of the faith, which was an unnecessary move especially considering the military situation in the region.
Crostothlay: If that is truely the case, then I will most certainly condut a full inquiry into his actions. He shall be held accountable
LBPBUMOUT: Of course, but under Spanish law.
LBPBUMOUT: This leads me to a very bothersome conclusion however.
LBPBUMOUT: Either you are unable to control your own subjects, or you are conniving against me.
LBPBUMOUT: I already know of your treachery to the Indians.
Crostothlay: *wry smile* 'Subjects'? Did you mean the faithful?
LBPBUMOUT: Do not make me angry.
LBPBUMOUT: No, not everyone under your sway is your follower... Pope....
Crostothlay: *frowns* If you refer to the Indians, I feel you must take it up with the Tsar. He is the one who betrayed my trust in this matter.
LBPBUMOUT: I am not speaking of the Indians.
Crostothlay: I will not be surprised if he is also the one who went past me directly to Juan.
LBPBUMOUT: I am speaking of the countless Russians who do NOT profess belief in Christ.
LBPBUMOUT: Juan is an imbicile, and I am not to be fooled.
Crostothlay: Ah yes, indeed... the Hindu heathens in Russia. They blindly support their unholy brethen in India. And the Tsar does nothing.
Crostothlay: Most outrageous.
LBPBUMOUT: Spain does not wish for war Pope.
Crostothlay: Neither do I. I wonder if the Tsar thinks the same.
LBPBUMOUT: You can stop it.
LBPBUMOUT: only you can stop it.
Crostothlay: Indeed, I shall endeavor to do so. But no longer will I do it in private. Peter has snubbed me and the Catholic Church long enough.
Crostothlay: Can I be assured of your support, Emperor?
LBPBUMOUT: You can be assured of Spanish support so long as you help to assuage the reasons for this conflict, we will NOT support a false or futile effort.
LBPBUMOUT: What
LBPBUMOUT: So
LBPBUMOUT: Ever.
LBPBUMOUT: Is that clear
LBPBUMOUT: ?
Crostothlay: Absolutedly, Emperor.
LBPBUMOUT: Very well.
LBPBUMOUT: I shall now speak with the Czar (Tsar)
Crostothlay: Be wary, Emperor, for he is a cunning one. Looks can deceive. With that, I bid you godspeed
LBPBUMOUT: .....

LBPBUMOUT: I greet you, Czar Pedro III of Russia.
LBPBUMOUT: I am Carlos, the fifth, Emperor of the Holy Spanish Empire.'
LBPBUMOUT: It has come to my attention that Russian soldiers, under the guise of the Indian Empire have invaded America.
LBPBUMOUT: Or at leas tintend to.
LBPBUMOUT: We have recently signed a defensive pact; do you consider Spain bound by our agreement to help fight America?
LBPBUMOUT: Germany?
Crostothlay: You are mistaken, those are not Russian soldiers. Let me explain.
LBPBUMOUT: Please do.
Crostothlay: There has been a long standing military agreement between India and Russia since before their revolution. This includes the training of each other's troops; military exchanges, if you will
LBPBUMOUT: So then, do these agreements bind you to direct military action?
Crostothlay: Some years ago, India requested that Russia train several detatchments of Indian knights in the latest in military tactics and traditions
LBPBUMOUT: I know this, I just want to know how dedicated your Majesty the Czar is to the conflict with the Americans?
Crostothlay: *smiles slightly* Were you not afraid about the balance of power in the south, your Majesty?
Crostothlay: I believe we *did* agree that India needed to be supported, if covertly.
LBPBUMOUT: I know we did, I just want to know if our plans have changed.
LBPBUMOUT: That's all.
LBPBUMOUT: Your religious sector is getting far too powerful.
LBPBUMOUT: Far too ambitious.
LBPBUMOUT: Its almost discouraging.
Crostothlay: No, they have not changed. The training of the Cossacks is- oh? *raises an eyebrow* You mean the Pope?
LBPBUMOUT: Yes, of course.
LBPBUMOUT: Our BEST friend?
Crostothlay: *smiles slightly* Tell me more.
LBPBUMOUT: 8-|
LBPBUMOUT: I don't know where to begin.
LBPBUMOUT: You should control the church.
LBPBUMOUT: You control Yaroslav'l.
LBPBUMOUT: The home of the faith, thus you should have control of the church.
Crostothlay: And you are concerned that I do not have absolute control over the church.
LBPBUMOUT: but if you claim you had nothing to do with the infiltration of my military, or the use of my military to spread Chrstianity to Berlint then... well...
LBPBUMOUT: I don't know what to believe.
LBPBUMOUT: Quite frankly....
Crostothlay: *raises an eyebrow*
LBPBUMOUT: If you can't control the church.
LBPBUMOUT: how can I trust you?
Crostothlay: Is this a challenge, your Majesty?
LBPBUMOUT: of course not.
LBPBUMOUT: Why would it be?
LBPBUMOUT: Are you not my master in faith?
Crostothlay: *chuckles slightly*
LBPBUMOUT: So, you will not answer my inquiries?
Crostothlay: Aye, we are brothers in faith. If it is control of the church you are worried about, I will set your fears at ease.
LBPBUMOUT: It is not that.
Crostothlay: Then what is it? Get to the point.
LBPBUMOUT: I am simply concerned with the actions of your allies and the fact that the Czar of Russia tells me one thing, and the Pope of Russia tells me another.
LBPBUMOUT: And I am your ally, and am thus bound to Russia.
LBPBUMOUT: So which Russia shall I defend?
LBPBUMOUT: YOURS or HIS?
Crostothlay: *smiles slightly* I hear you are a religious man, Emperor Carlos.
LBPBUMOUT: I am sure you hear many things.
LBPBUMOUT: Please *Pedro* tell me what is on your mind...
Crostothlay: Indeed so. The Pope cares naught for Russia, and more for his Church and his prestige.
LBPBUMOUT: You duck the issue Peter.
LBPBUMOUT: I am YOUR ally.
LBPBUMOUT: Stop beating around the bush and answer me.
Crostothlay: And thus, you follow me. Did you not answer your own question?
Crostothlay: Who is Russia? The Pope, or me? The answer shoult be obvious.
LBPBUMOUT: Exactly, so what shall Spain do?
LBPBUMOUT: That is all I ask.
LBPBUMOUT: Your Pope is a tricky man, and his cohort; the hated Juan Pedro III shall be executed on the morrow.
Crostothlay: *chuckles slightly* So it has come to that, has it? Very well. I assume the charges are on those military matters that you alluded to?
LBPBUMOUT: Well, honestly how can you blame us?
Crostothlay: Oh, I certainly do not blame you.
Crostothlay: I would have done the same in your shoes.
LBPBUMOUT: Is there ANY evidence that the Pope appointed him directly?
LBPBUMOUT: Is there even need to announce this?
Crostothlay: I am quite certain that the Pope handles all internal matters of the Church by himself
Crostothlay: So, yes, I believe that Juan was appointed directly.
LBPBUMOUT: So what shall the Emperor do?
LBPBUMOUT: I await your response...
Crostothlay: You may announce this as you wish. If you do, it would aid change in the church... most certainly.
Crostothlay: *smiles slightly*
Crostothlay: I leave the final decision to you, but this is my take on it.
Crostothlay: A public trial and execution, with clear irrefutable evidence competedly laid out.
LBPBUMOUT: And?
Crostothlay: Then you await the news from Russia. *smiles* There will soon be a new Pope.
LBPBUMOUT: Very well, we will await the new Pope.
LBPBUMOUT: We would be unwise not to.
LBPBUMOUT: good night, I will see you in the morning.
Crostothlay: Fare you well, Majesty.
LBPBUMOUT: And you, Czar.
Crostothlay: *really goes out now*
LBPBUMOUT: Hmm, this is going to change things.
Crostothlay: yeah
LBPBUMOUT: So should we still spread Christianity?
Crostothlay: we'll go ahead with it
LBPBUMOUT: Alright.
Crostothlay: it could prove to be a useful tool yet ;p
Crostothlay: i'm wondering how this will play out ICly XD
LBPBUMOUT: Hey what was the IC description of the events in France?
Crostothlay: nationalistic feeling sweep france, and the king foolishly takes up his people's aspirations
Crostothlay: and declares the intent to grab living space from his neighbours
LBPBUMOUT: Alright, and why did India attack
Crostothlay: you got to ask ozzy about that, but i think it was in support of germany (which the germans did not entirely welcome)
LBPBUMOUT: What is the new Pope's name?
Crostothlay: John III
LBPBUMOUT: Thanks.
Crostothlay: np
LBPBUMOUT: Can you give me a little blurb about his background, for the MM?
Crostothlay: let's see
Crostothlay: he was born Vladimir Shamanov in Moscow
Crostothlay: attended the Imperial Academy for a while, before he transferred over to the seminary attatched to the Hagia Sophia
Crostothlay: Before his election as Pope, he was the Cardinal of Moscow
Crostothlay: His closeness to the Tsar has been oft noted, though he very much prefers to stay in the background
LBPBUMOUT: Alright, that is enough.
Crostothlay:
Crostothlay: btw, it was partly as a reaction to the perceived control of the church by the state that Martin Luther started his REformation
LBPBUMOUT: Alrigiht.
LBPBUMOUT: Madrid Monitor is hot off the presses.
LBPBUMOUT: Did you see my post?
Crostothlay: the latest one? yeah
LBPBUMOUT: So, you want in on the action?
LBPBUMOUT: I am going to Christianize the whole continent man.
Crostothlay: XD yep... just the islands though
Crostothlay: awesome
Crostothlay: russia is rather lacking in coastal cities too
LBPBUMOUT: Yeah, we have two in Spain but they are both crap.
Crostothlay: out of the 3 coastal cities, only one has anything like decent production
Crostothlay: man, i want my GP soon
LBPBUMOUT: I totally squandered a GA
Crostothlay: lol
LBPBUMOUT: I don't know what the hell I was thinking!
Crostothlay: XD
LBPBUMOUT: I thought for some reason I would automatically get Printing Press, which I didn't.
LBPBUMOUT: So I basically wasted him, I didn't know what to do with him because I didn't have my New World colony yet.
LBPBUMOUT: And I didn't want to take land from you or China, so I just wasted him.
Crostothlay: hehe
Crostothlay: you could had settled him, or saved him up
LBPBUMOUT: I know, but I just got antsy.
Crostothlay: XD
LBPBUMOUT: It was a very foolish move on my part, and I realized it the second I let it happen.
Crostothlay: heh
Crostothlay: i rarely use GPs for tech anyway
LBPBUMOUT: Whatever, I'll get over it.
LBPBUMOUT: Yeah, I don't either but I didn't want to steal land from my allies because of an artist!
Crostothlay: heheh
Crostothlay: i'd had settled him in madrid if i was gonna use him at all
LBPBUMOUT: I was considering using him in Santo Rodrigo/Huamanga.
LBPBUMOUT: But I didnt' want to screw with Feodorgrod.
Crostothlay: yeah i know
LBPBUMOUT: Then I wasn't sure if the Inca and English could be trusted, so I didn't want to send him to New Spain.
LBPBUMOUT: Then I kinda just lost patience and used him for Printing Press, like a jackass, I shoulda just asked you for it.
Crostothlay: heh
LBPBUMOUT: I have Astronomy now, but you probably already have.
Crostothlay: i don't actually
LBPBUMOUT: Oh, well there we go then.
LBPBUMOUT: We don't need the English and Inca anymore, I got what I wanted out of them.
LBPBUMOUT: But if they agree to my land claim that I just made, then I'll play ball.
Crostothlay: heheh
Crostothlay: read my last post
LBPBUMOUT: Hey.
Crostothlay: mmm?
LBPBUMOUT: What is our church to do? I am going to make an epic post (similar to my New World one) about the Church, the Reformation, the Inquisition and Counter-Reformation.
Crostothlay: did you read through my posts?
LBPBUMOUT: I am about to do that.
LBPBUMOUT: They were very long, and I was with my girlfriend so I couldn't.
Crostothlay: lol
LBPBUMOUT: The problem I have with this is that the Germans and Americans asked us to spread christianity."
Crostothlay: the last three are the relevant ones for you
LBPBUMOUT: Which we did SPLENDIDLY
LBPBUMOUT: And now they are trying to turn on it.
LBPBUMOUT: It makes absolutely no sense.
Crostothlay: protestantism?
LBPBUMOUT: Yeah, but their rationale behind it is ridiculous.
LBPBUMOUT: I mean what was the reason?
LBPBUMOUT: The Excommunication of Juan Paul III?
LBPBUMOUT: Juan Pedro I mean
Crostothlay: germany's rationale is the folks fleeing from the inquisition
LBPBUMOUT: What inquisition?
Crostothlay: the russian inquisition
Crostothlay: peter's using the inquisition as an opportunity to eliminate his opponents
Crostothlay: (or was, before he passed away)
LBPBUMOUT: Okay, that makes sense I guess.
LBPBUMOUT: But I don't see that as a good reason.
LBPBUMOUT: Obstensibly they said they wanted Christianity to civilize themselves, and become more like our countries.
LBPBUMOUT: Now they are turning directly FROM our countries.
LBPBUMOUT: And frankly I don't see why they deserve gifted territory in the New World.
LBPBUMOUT: I was there, I saw what happened, they did nothing.
LBPBUMOUT: I helped fight barbarians, they did nothing.
LBPBUMOUT: They got France, they don't need more territory.
Crostothlay: you could make a formal protest to the northern alliance?
LBPBUMOUT: Not to mention England and the Inca are acting like they own the whole continent, and we have Astronomy now.
Crostothlay: ...lol, heh
LBPBUMOUT: I intend to, because it seems England won't "let" me have it.
Crostothlay: if we want to challenge the northern alliance, we need a navy
LBPBUMOUT: Carlos is going to abdicate the throne to his son Felipe.
LBPBUMOUT: We will have a navy.
LBPBUMOUT: Don't worry he isn't leaving for any other reason than the fact that he is growing old.
Crostothlay: heh, same reason taht peter passed away, more or less
LBPBUMOUT: Yeah, I figure Carlos has accomplished enough for Spain.
Crostothlay: oh right, the ruler of russia is now officially known as 'Emperor of the Holy Russian Empire'
Crostothlay: how are you going to use the inquisition btw?
LBPBUMOUT: Dammit, stealin my stuff!
LBPBUMOUT: I don't know that we will use the inquisition.
Crostothlay: there's a grand inquisitior appointed to spain and russia each.... lol XD
LBPBUMOUT: The problem is in Spain we have a strong Buddhist population.
Crostothlay: russia has a strong hindu population
LBPBUMOUT: El Cid was Buddhist, it would be against our heritage to do that.
LBPBUMOUT: I'll read your posts and tell you what I'll do.
Crostothlay: and nicholas was a hindu *saint* XD
Crostothlay: heheh, k
LBPBUMOUT: I will also mention that Spain has done a lot for the Church, and in that way have done a lot for Russia.
LBPBUMOUT: Particularly in spreading her religion.
Crostothlay: indeed
LBPBUMOUT: We say this simply to remind the Emperor in Russia that despite Spain's actions, we are loyal.
LBPBUMOUT: And much of his royal purse can be attributed DIRECTLY to Spanish influence.
Crostothlay: not yet, the shrine ain't up
LBPBUMOUT: That's true.
Crostothlay: still have to determine what kind of person alexei is, heh...
LBPBUMOUT: But be that as it may, that sounds like more of a Russian problem than a Spanish one.
Crostothlay: yeah
LBPBUMOUT: It looks like I won't have time to finish it.
Crostothlay: the christianization?
LBPBUMOUT: Its three parts, I. The Spanish Mission, II. The Protestant Reformation, and III. The Counter Reformation/Inquisition.
Crostothlay: ah
LBPBUMOUT: Yeah, I'm going to make a huge post like when I did the New World thing.
Crostothlay: cool
LBPBUMOUT: Then I'll do a final long one; the Abdication of Carlos V.
Session Close (LBPBUMOUT): Wed May 24 14:06:18 2006

Session Start (Crostothlay:LBPBUMOUT): Sat May 27 05:25:57 2006
LBPBUMOUT: What's up?
Crostothlay: The moon's up
LBPBUMOUT: You always say that.
Crostothlay:
LBPBUMOUT: What do you think of this mess with Concordia?
Crostothlay: ICly, Alexei doesn't really care, since a foothold there more than satisfies him
Crostothlay: OOCly... which mess are you referring to?
LBPBUMOUT: Just the Chinese claim, and your claim, are small.
LBPBUMOUT: Smaller than I'd like, I don't want them to be given and then gobbled up as soon as Inca becomes stronger.
LBPBUMOUT: Their territory is extensive.
Crostothlay: that's true
Session Close (LBPBUMOUT): Sat May 27 09:57:58 2006

[KunojiLym]

Session Start (Crostothlay:LBPBUMOUT): Sat Jun 10 09:39:51 2006
LBPBUMOUT: Dude, the Germans are going to attack me.
Crostothlay: ^_^;;
LBPBUMOUT: I think I am prepared to defeat them if they do though, but who knows who else will join the war.
Crostothlay: i can join the war, but my forces in concordia are minimal
LBPBUMOUT: Understood, maybe you can attack Germany proper.
LBPBUMOUT: I gotta go though, I'll talk to you later.
Crostothlay: k, later
Session Close (LBPBUMOUT): Sat Jun 10 15:50:15 2006


Session Start (Crostothlay:LBPBUMOUT): Sun Jun 11 10:29:22 2006
LBPBUMOUT: What are we going to do about Germany?
Crostothlay: it's not going to be politically feasible to attack germany over land; india might allow passage to russian troops, but america is far less likely to do the same
Crostothlay: and the russian navy is next to non-existant
Crostothlay: besides that, i'm worried that china would see it as an excuse to 'intervene'
Crostothlay: so my suggestion is.... we prepare for war, but we wait for germany to make the first move
Crostothlay: and in the meantime, we try to sway world opinion to our side
LBPBUMOUT: Obviously, that is what I am trying to do.
LBPBUMOUT: But the problem is Germany is allied to the Inca and England, so that removes three already.
LBPBUMOUT: Leaving five left, me and you are in a defensive pact, so really the "world" in this sense is going to be India, America, and China.
LBPBUMOUT: And I have an inclination that China is involved.
Crostothlay: Germany seems to be wary of China
LBPBUMOUT: That could be true.
LBPBUMOUT: The truth is on my side, so we have that I guess.
Crostothlay: Their diplomats have requested that Russia deny passage to Chinese troops
LBPBUMOUT: The simple fact is that Germany is lying, first of all it is impossible for an ironclad to attack the vessel in question because ironclads can't go on oceans.
Crostothlay: Yep
LBPBUMOUT: Secondly it didn't happen, they have to be punished for their lies.
LBPBUMOUT: I can't just let this go, you must understand.
LBPBUMOUT: Bremen must be razed.
LBPBUMOUT: But you're right, they have to make the first move.
LBPBUMOUT: My military is pretty powerful in the New World.
LBPBUMOUT: Bremen has an Infantry in it, however, I have a massive comprised of Riflemen, Grenadiers, Cavalry and Canons.
LBPBUMOUT: They will win some of the battles, but I don't think they can hold out.
Crostothlay: Perhaps I will ask India to deny passage to German military units.
LBPBUMOUT: Perhaps.
LBPBUMOUT: Meanwhile I have sent a message outlining the problems and suggesting that Germany accept a meeting in Moscow.
LBPBUMOUT: If you will host it that is.
LBPBUMOUT: The biggest thing we have to do now is prevent all out war.
Crostothlay: I have noted that.... alright, I will put up a post indicating Russia's willingness to host such a meeting
LBPBUMOUT: I will only agree to it if they admit they lied and apologize though, this is important.
LBPBUMOUT: We can not operate diplomatically if they are going to use bold-faced lies.
Crostothlay: Agreed.... we can stage a naval demonstration
LBPBUMOUT: This is true, their unit is still there, if we can get the Americans to send their nearby ship to confirm the German position.
LBPBUMOUT: I can demonstrate the inability of the ironclad to attack it.
LBPBUMOUT: Besides, wouldn't an ironclad defeat a frigate anyway? Or at least do SOME damage?
LBPBUMOUT: I have to go though, so I'll talk to you later.
Crostothlay: It will be best if we can get England and Inca to agree that Germany's stance is untenable too... I feel that America would be willing to supply her ship for such a demonstration
Crostothlay: k, later
LBPBUMOUT: Well, we'd have to put pressure on them.
LBPBUMOUT: If they want a war though, I am prepared to take North Concordia.
LBPBUMOUT: I will not accept these lies.
Crostothlay: Indeed
LBPBUMOUT: They built that damn city there to try and steal my oil.
LBPBUMOUT: Alright, I really gotta go now, later.
Crostothlay: heheh... later
Session Close (LBPBUMOUT): Mon Jun 12 05:52:10 2006

Session Start (Crostothlay:LBPBUMOUT): Sat Jul 15 10:36:00 2006
LBPBUMOUT: So, is India planning on invading Germany or what?>
LBPBUMOUT: This is a cool time to be Secretary General.
Crostothlay: nah, not germany
LBPBUMOUT: Well, I've been talking to ozzy and he seems pretty sure it was England.
LBPBUMOUT: Oh, I meant England, sorry.
Crostothlay: yeah, he mentioned as much to me as well
Crostothlay: lol
LBPBUMOUT: I still had Germany on my mind.
LBPBUMOUT: Alright well, he told me how to see it, but I feel like that is cheating.
LBPBUMOUT: Am I supposed to be able to see spies?
Crostothlay: if you have spies yourself in the radius
LBPBUMOUT: Alright.
LBPBUMOUT: Ozzy said that has nothing to do with it.
LBPBUMOUT: I'm going to look at the save, I guess.
Crostothlay: hmm, oh well
LBPBUMOUT: See the thing I don't like though is that Ozzy said he can prove it, and then is now saying that he wants me to do it.
LBPBUMOUT: But I told him if he can prove it take a picture and post it up, now he is reneging, it makes me suspicious whether or not England is really the culprit.
Crostothlay: hmm, so maybe it's making use of game mechanics
LBPBUMOUT: What do you mean?
Crostothlay: how did he tell you to look for the spy?
LBPBUMOUT: He said it was in global view.
LBPBUMOUT: And that it shows an English spy.
LBPBUMOUT: Although I did tell him that I had spies in England a little before the attack.
Crostothlay: hmm.... i think i know what he means, basically switch to unit viewing
LBPBUMOUT: And I saw no spies, his point is that the spy was in Russia.
Crostothlay: ahh.... damn, i should had looked in russia
LBPBUMOUT: But I'll load the save and look, honestly though I feel like this borders on cheating, but I guess not if anyone can do it.
Crostothlay: my spy ran all the way tolahore to look around and found that he culprit had up and gone :/
LBPBUMOUT: I had spies in America and Germany (at America's request in case Germany was building Nukes, which they are) and one in England which is actually now in Spain.
LBPBUMOUT: I thought they died after you used them?
Crostothlay: if they died, then china would have had concrete proof
Crostothlay: which they never had, since all my missions were successful
Crostothlay: successful mission = spy lives another day
LBPBUMOUT: Alright, so the spy is still alive.
LBPBUMOUT: What if the person just killed em after the mission, to make sure they weren't seen?
Crostothlay: that is possible
LBPBUMOUT: But then again, how many turns passed?
Crostothlay: a lot of turns by now, if you load the latest save, you won't see anything, i bet
LBPBUMOUT: Alright well I'm going to need to speak with a former official of the KGB.
Crostothlay: putin's one!
LBPBUMOUT: And he can tell me all of this at the UN meeting so we can discuss it openly.
Crostothlay: ahh, right
LBPBUMOUT: But I want a guy who has actually bombed something successfuly, so he can report to everyone what happened.
LBPBUMOUT: This is how Solana's running the UN man, we will leave no stone unturned.
Crostothlay: alright, i'll pull a ground agent from retirement to make a statement
LBPBUMOUT: Alright, send it in a PM.
Crostothlay: righto
LBPBUMOUT: Well, if the culprit has got away we'll have to figure out another way to figure this out.
LBPBUMOUT: Does England have Scotland Yard?
Crostothlay: long had it
Crostothlay: since the stalin years
LBPBUMOUT: Here's why I ask; the Inca were building a spy when I passed Ollahyayayay or whatever its called
LBPBUMOUT: Which was soon before the bombing, it is possible the bombing was Incan or potentially English/Incan.
Crostothlay: nolan gave the spy to me ^_^;;; i gave it back, it was a bit crazy
LBPBUMOUT: Did this happen before or after the bombing?
Crostothlay: before
LBPBUMOUT: Alright.
LBPBUMOUT: I will admit, I have spies, but I didn't do this.
Crostothlay: i think just about everyone has spies now
LBPBUMOUT: I will also admit I have spied on India, England, Inca, America, and Germany.
LBPBUMOUT: But I had nothing to do with this attack.
Crostothlay: and i believe you, you have nothing to gain from the sabotage
LBPBUMOUT: Exactly, I would get destroyed if I got caught.
Crostothlay: england and china were the immeadiate suspects, since they're the closest SS competitors with india
Crostothlay: no other nation has a vested interest in blowing up those parts
LBPBUMOUT: Well, what about retribution.
LBPBUMOUT: What if it was an ally of England or China, like Inca or Spain (even though it wasn't Spain)
LBPBUMOUT: Like a satellite state.
Crostothlay: that's possible too
Crostothlay: though i don't think nolan would do such a thing, lol
LBPBUMOUT: That's true, but who knows, maybe deity convinced her that she was supposed to.
Crostothlay: true
LBPBUMOUT: Besides, didn't someone complain that Nolan wouldn't respond to their messages?
Crostothlay: hmm.... i thought it was germany
Crostothlay: but i was a little engrossed in typing ;p
LBPBUMOUT: Germany complained about Nolan?
Crostothlay: i mean, that cyber complained about germany early in the session
LBPBUMOUT: Oh, okay, nevermind then.
Crostothlay: i don't remember any complaints about nolan, but i may have missed those messages... though it's true, it took some prodding before nolan answered my own pms regarding the gift spy
LBPBUMOUT: I must have been mistaken.
Crostothlay: heh
LBPBUMOUT: Well it all seems suspicious, all of this ****.
LBPBUMOUT: Its hard to say, and I thought for sure nothing would happen anymore now that the space race had begun.
Crostothlay: heh.... complacency is the beginning of the end
LBPBUMOUT: That's true, look what happened to Ozzy.
LBPBUMOUT: He should've been watching his ass.
Crostothlay: there'll probably be a ***-for-tat, or worse
LBPBUMOUT: Yeah but see my job now is to make sure it a) isn't worse, and b) it isn't the wrong country.
LBPBUMOUT: Honestly though, from a realistic standpoint the attack against his ship is not as VIOLENT as your attack on China.
Crostothlay: too true
LBPBUMOUT: And if he makes that argument he's going to be wrong.
LBPBUMOUT: How close was he to finishing the part?
Crostothlay: i dunno
Crostothlay: must have been pretty close
LBPBUMOUT: I guess the attack wouldn't have made sense otherwise.
LBPBUMOUT: Supposedly he's putting up a post, so I'm going to wait for that...
Crostothlay: that's what i'm waiting for too
Crostothlay: reminds me, need to work on my own posts, russia changed a *lot* this session
Crostothlay: yep, it's up
Crostothlay: just a short post on the incident though
LBPBUMOUT: Wow, Ozzy is right.
Crostothlay: heh
LBPBUMOUT: Hey if you are there I am going to do the post about the press conference.
LBPBUMOUT: And with your permission I am going to use information I recieve from Putin, so if you want to give me some info go ahead, if not I'll make it up.
Crostothlay: just let me know what you're gonna make up, and i'll vet it
LBPBUMOUT: I am just going to basically prove that the attack was strategic, not political, and state sponsored.
LBPBUMOUT: Professional.
LBPBUMOUT: I am not going to use Putin himself, but I am going to reference him.
Crostothlay: right
LBPBUMOUT: So, what do we do now?
LBPBUMOUT: Mr. Putin?
Crostothlay: i assume you will bring this to the atention of the international community
LBPBUMOUT: I will have to, would'nt I?
LBPBUMOUT: But at the proper venue.
LBPBUMOUT: We need a Security Council Meeting.
LBPBUMOUT: And maybe some bombers...
Crostothlay: i am not the actual person in power, romanov is. But I personally agree with your proposal
LBPBUMOUT: Which is what? Bombers?
Crostothlay: Both. Knowing Romanov, she would most likely agree to the Council Meeting too, though I am less certain about her views of the bombers. She is, shall we say, a bit of a pacifist.
LBPBUMOUT: Well, what if this happened in Russia?
LBPBUMOUT: How would she like it.
Crostothlay: Most certainly, she would be displeased. She puts the Russian people before all else, and something like this will not be easy for her to forgive, I imagine. That is how she won the elections, after all.
Crostothlay: I cannot say just *what* she would do, though.
LBPBUMOUT: I am not asking her to attack the English.
LBPBUMOUT: I am just saying that we may need to take a hard line with them at the Security Council meeting, I mean this evidence is not 100% proof that they did it.
LBPBUMOUT: But its pretty strong evidence.
Crostothlay: A hard line... yes, I think Romanov will be amendable to that.
LBPBUMOUT: Alright.
LBPBUMOUT: In all seriousness Kuno, what do you think we should do>
LBPBUMOUT: ?
Crostothlay: economic sanctions seem to be the most viable course of action
LBPBUMOUT: Well the problem with that is, they may have got what they wanted out of this.
Crostothlay: ie, all treaties with the english cancelld by all nations
LBPBUMOUT: I mean, even if we do that they could potentially finish the construction before India, which is obviously the purpose behind the bombing.
Crostothlay: hmm...
Crostothlay: have them stop all SS construction?
LBPBUMOUT: Is that a viable solution though? I mean how could we explain that in the storylines? Plus it would FORCE them to lose which I think is unfair.
LBPBUMOUT: I mean, this is PART of civilization.
Crostothlay: yeah
LBPBUMOUT: For all intents and purposes this could have ended the game.
Crostothlay: india is pretty much gearing for war
LBPBUMOUT: Well honestly it seems that England has already done that.
Crostothlay: but it also seems that india would be satisfied with economic sanctions
LBPBUMOUT: They have amassed forces in Inca, I've seen them.
Crostothlay: yeah, heh
LBPBUMOUT: Which I think may prove that they were planning on being attacked, ie in case they got caught.
Crostothlay: i know, i've moved part of my army to novgorod as a counter
LBPBUMOUT: I think the meltdown in Trufan may have set them back.
LBPBUMOUT: And could have been the reason for all of this.
Crostothlay: they had a meltdown? heh, never rely on nuclear power
LBPBUMOUT: Yeah, in Trufan.
LBPBUMOUT: Which occured just a few turns before the attack.
Crostothlay: ahhhh.... most interesting
LBPBUMOUT: Also the fact that the Inca were exchanging spies all over the place doesn't really bode well either.
LBPBUMOUT: Considering the English/Incan relationship.
Crostothlay: you know that inca gifted me a spy, right?
LBPBUMOUT: Yeah I know, for what purpose?
LBPBUMOUT: If you don't mind me asking.
Crostothlay: for ooc purposes, as far as i can see. nolan said that she missed 'being with me in an alliance'
LBPBUMOUT: Hmm, alright, that still seems odd to me.
Crostothlay: feels a little weird, heh. gave me more spies than i really should had had too, before i returned her (after a turn or two)
LBPBUMOUT: And how long before the attack did this occur?
Crostothlay: quite some time before
Crostothlay: it was before the soviet gvt fell
LBPBUMOUT: Alright, well my own espionage indicated they were creating a Spy and would have finished a few turns before the attack.
LBPBUMOUT: This spy also confirms the English buildup in Inca and the construction of ICBMs by the Inca.
LBPBUMOUT: Pacifist government indeed....
Crostothlay: i already know that they have icbms, two in cuzco specifically
* Crostothlay cheers for holy city LOS
LBPBUMOUT: Right.
Crostothlay: it's also why their military buildup can't escape my notice
LBPBUMOUT: I keep forgetting what LOS means... so what does LOS mean again?
LBPBUMOUT: I see.
Crostothlay: line of sight
LBPBUMOUT: That's right.
LBPBUMOUT: Dammit, you can see all of my ****, you bastard.
Crostothlay: lol
LBPBUMOUT: I'm not that strong, but I've got some nukes.
Crostothlay: i think everyone has nukes by now
LBPBUMOUT: I'm trying to exchange my old units for new ones.
LBPBUMOUT: But they cost so damn much.
Crostothlay: i've *just* finished my first round of upgrading
Crostothlay: and that's running at 100% gold
LBPBUMOUT: Yeah, I've got myself on 90% now after I got fusion.
Crostothlay: took a freaking entire session
LBPBUMOUT: But I'm only making like 900 GPT, which isn't bad, but not as good as I'd like.
Crostothlay: yeah, i'm in pretty much the same situation
LBPBUMOUT: If the spy attacks were cheaper I would use them, but at this point I am too far out of it to win it.
LBPBUMOUT: So I'm just trying to use all of these pictures I have before the game ends.
LBPBUMOUT: I've got some good ones man.
Crostothlay: heheh
Crostothlay: spy attacks were great pity frank was so jumpy :/
LBPBUMOUT: If you made Putin the leader I'd have a ****load of em.
LBPBUMOUT: I don't think we treated them appropriately.
Crostothlay: lol, elections are coming up again
LBPBUMOUT: Also I think that there should be random attacks in Civ, like the barbs should get spies.
Crostothlay: not sure if that'll work out so well
LBPBUMOUT: Why not?
Crostothlay: the barb spies would hit a target every turn, might be way too crippling
Crostothlay: especially when they start spam attacking towns
LBPBUMOUT: I don't think they'd hit a target every turn, I mean they can fix that.
Crostothlay: true
LBPBUMOUT: And you know how barbs show up near the stronger countries.
LBPBUMOUT: Well barbarian terrorists could also attack the stronger countries too, making the game more even.
Crostothlay: i still feel that it's iffy though... though i do support the idea of random attacks
LBPBUMOUT: I just think if it was done in moderation it would be a cool mod, especially for diplogames.
Crostothlay: might work, heh
LBPBUMOUT: Do the spies get an "expose enemy spy" option?
Crostothlay: there isn't
LBPBUMOUT: see, that is stupid.
Crostothlay: heheh
LBPBUMOUT: You knwo why its stupid"
LBPBUMOUT: I sent spies to China searching for YOUR spies, and I sent spies to America searching for German spies.
LBPBUMOUT: I have been doing a lot of freelance spying.
Crostothlay: heheh
Crostothlay: you didn't see any spies?
LBPBUMOUT: No.
Crostothlay: weird
LBPBUMOUT: Yeah I know.
LBPBUMOUT: I mean, I only had one.
Crostothlay: my spies were in russia for almost the whole game
LBPBUMOUT: Its not like I had a team of them or anything.
LBPBUMOUT: I didn't spy on you.
Crostothlay: i mean, the whole session
Crostothlay: ah
LBPBUMOUT: I was in China looking for them.
Crostothlay: if you must know, there was on in shanghai keeping an eye on nuke production
Crostothlay: *one
LBPBUMOUT: Damn, I was in Shanghai a couple of times.
Crostothlay: and a team of spies also headed back into china after the madras bombing to check out the cities
Crostothlay: hmm, seems like spy spotting is borked
LBPBUMOUT: That's gay.
LBPBUMOUT: They need to change that.
Crostothlay: yeah
LBPBUMOUT: Hey, what do you think about a "kidnap" option where you steal people's great people?
Crostothlay: that'll be sweet XD
LBPBUMOUT: We should suggest it.
Crostothlay: though there's only a small window of opportunity, unless the person is saving the GP up
LBPBUMOUT: Yeah, but it doesn't hurt anything.
Crostothlay: heheh
Session Close (LBPBUMOUT): Wed Jul 19 15:03:38 2006

[KunojiLym]

Session Start (Crostothlay:LBPBUMOUT): Fri Jul 21 13:53:14 2006
LBPBUMOUT: Hey Kuno, you around?
Crostothlay: yeah, why?
LBPBUMOUT: Did you see deity's post?
Crostothlay: yeah
LBPBUMOUT: Well, what do you think of this whole thing, officially?
LBPBUMOUT: I mean, I kind of feel obligated to do something as UN SG (and plus I like this kind of ****)
Crostothlay: lol
LBPBUMOUT: I mean, Spain does have a defensive pact with India.
LBPBUMOUT: And in a sense, this is an attack on India.
Crostothlay: i haven't constructed an official response, still typing up **** that reflects what happened in the last session
LBPBUMOUT: right.
LBPBUMOUT: But I'm basically asking what Russia thinks of this right now, off the record.
Crostothlay: i think the english are full of ****
Crostothlay: they need to get sanction-ified
Crostothlay: basically, i'll stand by whatever decision india and/or the un comes up with
LBPBUMOUT: So what do you think a proper response would be?
Crostothlay: from spain, or from the sg?
LBPBUMOUT: Well, in general really.
LBPBUMOUT: I mean, like I've said, the games almost over so I might as well be involved in something cool, right?
Crostothlay: XD
Crostothlay: i'd call england's bluff
LBPBUMOUT: Well, I am.
LBPBUMOUT: But what should happen after that? I say we get them.
Crostothlay: maybe publicise the evidence
Crostothlay: hehe, it kinda depends on their response
LBPBUMOUT: I'm going to, all in good time, I've got to make it dramatic.
Crostothlay: i don't mind eating up the mainland >_>
LBPBUMOUT: I'm going to propose a UN meeting.
Crostothlay: well, definatedly
LBPBUMOUT: A special Security Council meeting, in the thread that is, and that's where I'll call him out.
Crostothlay: alrighty
LBPBUMOUT: I think I'm going to have the Spanish representative (Zapatero) show the evidence.
LBPBUMOUT: Rather than the SG.
Crostothlay: righto
Crostothlay: do you need putin to be present?
LBPBUMOUT: We'll see how it goes, at this rate we may not be playing for another week which will leave plenty of time to write up posts.
Crostothlay: (gonna find out who the current russian un rep is so that i can use him )
LBPBUMOUT: You could always use Putin, he isn't the leader of Russia is he.
Crostothlay: he isn't, but he isn't holding any official position, other than being the leader of his party
LBPBUMOUT: Alright.
LBPBUMOUT: I've got a plan, you're right, I'll call their bluff.
Crostothlay:
LBPBUMOUT: Solana will demand that the English provide them with the locations of their spies.
LBPBUMOUT: They did say they wouldn't mind showing us, did they not?
Crostothlay: heheh, yeah
LBPBUMOUT: And according to the info I have, their spy is very close to Lahore.
LBPBUMOUT: Actually, it is in YOUR territory.
LBPBUMOUT: Which would go a long way towards implicating them of this attack, I mean at this point they're going to get their ship up first, maybe.
LBPBUMOUT: I mean too much of the information points to them; they just had a meltdown in Trufan, which probably stunted their ship production.
LBPBUMOUT: They have amassed troops on in Inca along the Russian border, which shows that they may have been BRACING for a response had they been caught.
LBPBUMOUT: And finally, their spy is indeed close to the site of the attack.
Crostothlay: yeah
LBPBUMOUT: Alright, well, finally their spy is indeed close to Lahore, and within your territory.
LBPBUMOUT: There is more evidence implicating England than there was implicating Russia when we put sanctions on you.
LBPBUMOUT: And if Solana uses precedent established by Gandhi, this should be sufficient to respond in some way.
Crostothlay: yeah
Crostothlay: most certainly
LBPBUMOUT: The only thing is, and I've said this to Ozzy, the damage has already been done.
LBPBUMOUT: So even if we do put sanctions on them, they will still reap the benefits of their crime.
Crostothlay: true
LBPBUMOUT: Which is why we might have to pursue a military response.
Crostothlay: what kind though?
LBPBUMOUT: Bombing, I don't know.
LBPBUMOUT: Try to stunt their production so they don't get to space.
LBPBUMOUT: Another thing is this; the Inca may have been involved, we know they had spies.
LBPBUMOUT: And why did the English place troops in their land anyway?
Crostothlay: basically, nolan is just being an obediant vassel .
Crostothlay: but this needs to be openly questioned, definatedly
LBPBUMOUT: I understand that, I know how deity is too when he has a sub for an ally.
LBPBUMOUT: Alright, I'll put up a notice from Solana tomorrow.
Crostothlay: alrighty
LBPBUMOUT: Basically what I want is for deity to go into his military screen.
Crostothlay:
LBPBUMOUT: Hi-lite the spies, and post their locations.
LBPBUMOUT: I mean, if he refuses he has changed his own policy, if he does it I'll show the picture and there really isn't much else he can do about it.
Crostothlay: heh
LBPBUMOUT: I mean it was either him or Germany.
Crostothlay: and it probably wasn't germany
LBPBUMOUT: Yeah, and that isn't likely.
LBPBUMOUT: I mean India did have soldiers in their land, but I heard it was like archers or some crap.
LBPBUMOUT: I'm going to bed though, its two in the morning over here.
LBPBUMOUT: Later.
Crostothlay: later
Crostothlay: yeah, it was an archer
Session Close (LBPBUMOUT): Fri Jul 21 17:21:29 2006


Session Start (Crostothlay:LBPBUMOUT): Fri Jul 28 06:56:35 2006
LBPBUMOUT: Deity is talking to me, he's saying he didn't do it.
Crostothlay: yeah, he did that to me too
LBPBUMOUT: What do you think?
LBPBUMOUT: Because Ozzy says he's having second thoughts.
LBPBUMOUT: Personally I think he did it.
Crostothlay: apparently, he didn't know that you don't necessarily lose spies when you use them
LBPBUMOUT: So you're saying he didn't do it.
Crostothlay: that's my inclination, yeah
LBPBUMOUT: So who do you think did it? The Chinese?
Crostothlay: that's the only possibility, and i won't put it past frank
Crostothlay: but the problem is that there is just about no evidence
LBPBUMOUT: Alright, so where's the evidence?
LBPBUMOUT: Deity is smart though, I've played with him plenty of times, this would be right up his alley.
Crostothlay: that's also true
LBPBUMOUT: Plus Frank was the one complaining about spies, I don't think he really has many.
Crostothlay: heheh, that's also true
Crostothlay: but would deity resort to ooc lying?
LBPBUMOUT: I don't know, I just don't want deity to fool me again.
LBPBUMOUT: Did he resort to OOC lying?
LBPBUMOUT: I saw three posts that he edited away, is that what you are talking about?
Crostothlay: well, saying that he didn't do it directly is ooc lying if he *did* do it, right?
Crostothlay: no, those posts were him complaining about ozzy's posts
LBPBUMOUT: Did he say OOC that he didn't do it?
Crostothlay: yeah, he did
LBPBUMOUT: Hmm, I doubt he would do that.
LBPBUMOUT: But again, all of the evidence points to him, and why did we get multiple spy pics?
LBPBUMOUT: And why did he lie about it to begin with?
LBPBUMOUT: I mean, he did post that he had four spies at first, then he posted pictures of only four.
Crostothlay: he said that he forgot he had more than 4 spies until afterwards
LBPBUMOUT: Then all of the sudden he has seven in entirely different locations.
LBPBUMOUT: He forgot?
LBPBUMOUT: I don't know man, it doesn't smell right to ome.
Crostothlay: and he also said that he can't really remember where he got the extra 3 spies from
Crostothlay: it does smell kinda fishy
LBPBUMOUT: That doesn't make any sense either.
LBPBUMOUT: Look, I'm just saying, I am allied to China and I talk to him a lot.
LBPBUMOUT: The only plans we were hatching was to maybe give the Kremlin to him so he can rush build the Space Elevator and rush production.
Crostothlay: nolan says that she only remembers giving deity one spy though...
LBPBUMOUT: Other than that, I know nothing about it.
LBPBUMOUT: Hmm, really?
Crostothlay: yeah, then again, nolan also says that she has a memory full of holes
LBPBUMOUT: That's odd, you know I always suspected the English of providing weapons to the Americans in their war against Germany.
LBPBUMOUT: So Nolan did give the spy to deity... I mean its all fitting with my scenario.
Crostothlay: hmmm
LBPBUMOUT: Think about it man.
LBPBUMOUT: Look, he ORIGINALLY admitted to having four spies, and he said "I still have all FOUR of my spies"
LBPBUMOUT: Literally, that is what he said.
LBPBUMOUT: Why did he only admit to having four? So we didn't notice that he was missing a spy.
LBPBUMOUT: Then he figured he might as well admit to having seven, I mean it says so in his data.
Crostothlay: if the mission was successful, you don't lose your spy
LBPBUMOUT: So he had to admit it, to show that he didn't lose any.
LBPBUMOUT: Yeah, but what if he disbanded it?
Crostothlay: hmm.... true
LBPBUMOUT: This way no lost spies are shown, which explains the reason why he lost ZERO spies.
LBPBUMOUT: I mean, CAN you lose a spy in a bombing?
Crostothlay: yes, if you are caught
LBPBUMOUT: I'm just saying, its pretty strange and its all we've got right now.
LBPBUMOUT: There is no other evidence.
Crostothlay: yeah, based on what we have, it's england and no one else
Crostothlay: it's highly unlikely that we'll come up with any other evidence
Crostothlay: oh, deity also suggested taht you may have been behind the lahore bombings ^_^;;
LBPBUMOUT: I know, he suggested that to me too.
Crostothlay: come to think of it, he suggested that i could have been behind it too
Crostothlay: to which my response was: huh? that makes all kinds of nonsense ;p
Session Close (LBPBUMOUT): Sat Jul 29 15:08:51 2006

[KunojiLym]

Aand, the Spanish PMs...

To my brethen in Toledo,

I write to you as Russia descends into the chaos of war. It is almost as if the End Days are upon us, though I do not believe that it will come quite so soon. Even so, these are dire times indeed for our faith. The Tsar will shortly begin presecuting us; that much is certain. In these times, I besceech you to pray to the Lord, for our safety, our survival, and perhaps, if you are able, help us in whatever way you can. May the Lord reveal to us the way to relieve this crisis upon us.

I await a favorable response. God bless, and amen.

Father John of Yaroslavl'

From: Governor Elian Cadrez de Cordoba.

To: Padre Juan de Jaroslavo.

We wish to inform you that we are favorable to your cause. The persecution of Christians caused by these Jewish radicals is deplorable. May mother Russia, and tolerant Spain have their way with us, but let Spain prevail!

We wish for cooperation and unity. Not like the Russian Monarch who salivates for death and hardship!

Let Christian Russia prevail, and this pagan Russia cease to exist, let us open to the lord.

But more importantly, if El Cid hears of these discussions he will execute me for sure! He wishes for nothing but ORDER in Spain, regardless of faith!

Please, speak to the King of Spain and gain absolution! We must help the Russians, help the Indians, and mas importante, help Spain itself!

Gobierno Elian Cadrez de Cordoba...

To Don Pedro Abarca de Bolea, Foreign Minister of Spain

With regards to the spread of Christianity to the south, my Lord has an addendum to make. That is, that both Russia and Spain make efforts to spread the faith in India as well. His reasoning is twofold: First, that this may further cement the ties between the two traditional allies, and second, that it may act as a counterbalance against a fanatical Hinduistic nationalism. The Pope has been informed of the Tsar's intent, though he has also been asked to keep mum on this for now. On behalf of the Tsar, I ask that Spain does the same.

Regards, and God bless

Boris Shuisky, Prime Minister of the Russian Empire

[KunojiLym]

The letter that Nicholas I sent to request participation in the contest for Sita's hand

To King Janaka, ruler of all India

May this missive find you and your family in good health.

I would like to personally request your daughter's hand in marriage. I know that my grandfather, Ivan II, had long entertained thoughts of a more pernament union with India, even after his revelation in the One True God. By now, you must be aware of the situation that does face Russia. We need a fresh start, and for this reason, I would ask permission of you, who were friends with my grandfather, for your daughter's hand.

Herewith is a clumsy verse that I have inked in her honor.

Violet passion blooms
Soar heavenward, angel wing'd
In virtue unmatched

Peace in our time.

Nicholas I
Tsar of Mother Russia