comparison game for woodan and whom else

[Ming]

this is a personal attack of my settings thus myself.

It is not personal to disagree and comment on the settings of a game. Calling somebody an idiot is personal. Big difference.

using words like "total drag" or "rigged game" and the fact you have no idea why i started this thread will lead me to start attacking you again. you still assume what you want and have poor choice of words.

A marrathon game on a super large map can be considered a "drag"... and yes, you change things on the map with WB to suit your style of play... therefore, you are rigging it. These are facts and opinons.
Commenting on them is a matter of opinion and not an attack on a person.

once again you are assuming, heres what i said to the letter:

do you notice a ? mark at the end of this sentence? didnt think so, so it was not a question, it was an expressive statement nothing more.

First, whether you put a question mark on the end is irrelevent... it was a question, pure and simple.

you are the one using assumptions and inaccuracies then using poor choice of words, as long as you continue to do so i'll keep attacking your presumptuous inaccurate opinions.

I've said nothing inaccurate, and made no personal attacks. You continue to do so.

you deal with it too, if you continue to be presumptuous and inaccurate i will continue to attack, deal with it.

How about discussing the topic and arguing the comments instead of just making personal attacks.

wow thats a threat , well if you dont want to change your ways then get used to it.

No... a statement of fact... Your posts are against the forum rules.

yes you are, you believe your righteous in anything you do despite the fact ive proved how foolish and utterly inaccurate you are.

You have proved nothing.

if you were actually participating in what this thread is all about which is playing my maps then id welcome your opinion,

I can state my opinon anywhere in these forums. So can you.

but since your just looking to attack me i will attack you. your making insults in the assumptions that lead to your poor choice of words and inaccurate posts. keep stating the rules, thats all you want to do. ive already told you if you want me to stop then you stop talking to me, simple. but as already said if you continue to do what you obviously like to do then so will i.

Maybe you should learn the difference between discussing game points vs personal attacks.

since i wasnt asking the question to which you are basing this off of, i will ignore this.

Your opinion, nothing else...

if you find my map boring then why are you here? if you are not going to participate then you have no business being here. your continuing to be here just shows how pathetic and childish you are.

More personal insults... maybe because you can't argue the point so you just resort to insults.

oh and im not the only person here who changes deserts ect, and once again your assuming i look for everything when i change it.

If other people change deserts ect, then they are rigging the game in their favor as well. But I would hazard a guess that MOST people here don't change deserts. And whether you "look" or not, you can't help but gain information about the world you are playing on.

no one cares for your assumptions especially me, if you dont want to believe that i just change what i said then more power to you. like ive already said most of us by now know you need to assume whatever it is you want to support your claims, your the kinda person that is never wrong and even when proven wrong you write it off so you dont have to retract/apologize and look even more foolish and accept that you were, you have yet to take any "real" responsibility for you presumptuous nature and inaccurate statements and poor choice of words. until you do you dont deserve any benefit of the doubt and/or respect from me. when you stop i stop, not a second sooner. you wont win.

Again... more personal attacks vs discussing the game issues. You spend more time making personal attacks than defending your game POV. You have proven nothing yet again.

[brandonjm8]

It is not personal to disagree and comment on the settings of a game. Calling somebody an idiot is personal. Big difference.



A marrathon game on a super large map can be considered a "drag"... and yes, you change things on the map with WB to suit your style of play... therefore, you are rigging it. These are facts and opinons.
Commenting on them is a matter of opinion and not an attack on a person.



First, whether you put a question mark on the end is irrelevent... it was a question, pure and simple.




I've said nothing inaccurate, and made no personal attacks. You continue to do so.




How about discussing the topic and arguing the comments instead of just making personal attacks.



No... a statement of fact... Your posts are against the forum rules.



You have proved nothing.



I can state my opinon anywhere in these forums. So can you.



Maybe you should learn the difference between discussing game points vs personal attacks.



Your opinion, nothing else...



More personal insults... maybe because you can't argue the point so you just resort to insults.



If other people change deserts ect, then they are rigging the game in their favor as well. But I would hazard a guess that MOST people here don't change deserts. And whether you "look" or not, you can't help but gain information about the world you are playing on.



Again... more personal attacks vs discussing the game issues. You spend more time making personal attacks than defending your game POV. You have proven nothing yet again.

you are just an idiot that tries to force your own reality onto others . if there is not a ? mark at the end of a sentence then ITS NOT A QUESTION , i guess at your old age you forgot what a "." (period) and a "?" (question mark) is .

keep assuming what you want to back up your claims, you cant change the facts that i have provided on this and other threads. in the end you are just an idiot and a old fool. go ahead and get this thread closed too, the other was closed just after you posted on it , i'll just start another and new name if necessary, YOU WILL NEVER WIN . since you want to act like a child im gonna start treating you as such from now on.

[Brael]

if i change my map sizes then that in essence changes my settings then we would no longer be comparing my settings to anothers, it'd be comparing settings of the same person and no fair comparison could be made since none of the games were played with my settings, get my point? you bring up ratios but ratios have nothing to do with this, with huge maps comes longer troop movement and with continents (not pangeas, i hate pangea maps its not realistic and never have us humans had any civilizations on "Pangea" never) makes you consider and plan (micro-manage) more and early conquest is outta the question. if people want to play games where they can just kill everyone early then my maps arent what they are looking for. what may be fun for you may not be fun for someone else and vice versa, basically if you dont finish someones game simply cuz it isnt fun then you cant expect or think the other would finish the other game either.

Not really, since the core idea of the game is the same. I didn't say change from continents to pangea or anything like that. Smaller maps with less civs provide the same experience as larger maps with more civs. Either way you end up with lots of room to expand.

i dont know where you get advanced starts from, we start at 4000 B.C. with no added "goodies". i will admit even i am finding prince level to be too easy, after my ottoman game im going back to monarch.

What you're playing is in essence the same thing as what advanced start gives you but with an added advantage. The way these maps are built is that you build up until you have a large empire that you like (while the AI does the same) and then you go fight. The same thing an advanced start does. The only difference is the difficulty level is such that it's easy to out build the AI so that rather than everyone building up equally or even with an advantage to the AI you get to build up more.

i did not pick the AI that we shared our continent with, what you saw is what came out, i leave the AI's on auto i dont pick what AI's i play.

I assumed they were random, I usually leave them on random myself because I prefer to not know who's out there. On a game like this though I would probably change things because the AI's with interesting personalities (not just the psychos) make things fun. The most interesting AI on this map I think is Isabella, I generally like her because she's like one of those tiny dogs that barks at everything but can't bite at all. Survaryman really does suck for a neighbor though, he's usually in all my games too which makes it even worse.

world domination by 1500 A.D., is that challenging enough for you. id like to know IF you can do it.

Tell you what, I'll start over again and see how close I can get. It's probably not that difficult (though it won't happen by 1500 AD, it's not possible to move enough units that early). In the one I restarted I pulled off the same worker theft and then took peace. Khmer invaded me again a little later, know what I'm fighting him off with? 2 workers. I don't even need an army, his AI is basically one that tells him to go harass workers, so I'm literally running him around in circles without having to defend my cities. Best of all, the worker stuff gets broken up rather than all at once but the workers are able to work on improvements every turn while running around.

i dont even remember where and what the continents look like. with 6 continents any direction you go you will find one

Pretty much the point. In the first game knowing continent locations leads to much quicker circumnavigation. In the second game continents are shaped a bit different (more across than up and down) so it's not as big of an issue.

if i could change the code or programming for this mapscript i would, but ive yet to get a reply from the original builder of it at civfanatics.com.

I don't know python that well but I'm looking at the mapscript now (any text editor will open it), and it looks like you can change how common they are. Lines 386 to 389, increasing the numbers should increase how common resources are at those levels. My guess at what happened on the first map is that it clumped resources together on our continent and just gave us sea resources. The other continents seemed to lack those for the most part.

i posted that we start with stone?

No, just something I noticed and was curious about. Your standard strategy revolves heavily around stone and we started with it in both games, along with stone that doesn't naturally occur (grass hill stone), so I found it curious.

im going to monarch after this game, prince is rather easy for me, i'll give you that.

If you can handle that Immortal game I posted until 1000 AD (even if you lose at that point) you can handle Immortal on your map settings, actually since your map settings are really worth -1 or -2 difficulty levels you could handle deity.

[Ming]

you are just an idiot that tries to force your own reality onto others . if there is not a ? mark at the end of a sentence then ITS NOT A QUESTION , i guess at your old age you forgot what a "." (period) and a "?" (question mark) is .

Gee... more personal insults, what a surprise. Maybe you should look up the definition of a question so that you can better understand the concept.

keep assuming what you want to back up your claims, you cant change the facts that i have provided on this and other threads. in the end you are just an idiot and a old fool. go ahead and get this thread closed too, the other was closed just after you posted on it , i'll just start another and new name if necessary, YOU WILL NEVER WIN . since you want to act like a child im gonna start treating you as such from now on.

Gee... more personal insults, what a surprise. Your facts have been questionable at best in this thread and others.

That thread was closed because of your personal insults, which are against site rules. You seem to be ignoring the reality of the situation.

You seem to think somebody will win or lose... like this is a game... it isn't. What this is a community where we discuss civ, not personal insults. Maybe you should read the posting FAQ and you will understand what this site is all about.

I will let others judge from simply looking at the posts we are both making.
I'm confident they will see the reality of the situation here.

[Ming]

And you shouldn't put stone on a grassland hill when using WB. It just shows that you are indeed rigging the game to your style of play. If that's what you want, fine... but don't try to deny that you aren't rigging the game.

[brandonjm8]

Not really, since the core idea of the game is the same. I didn't say change from continents to pangea or anything like that. Smaller maps with less civs provide the same experience as larger maps with more civs. Either way you end up with lots of room to expand.

with 2x huge maps comes longer troop movements and more strategizing not to mention you cant do it early unless like some of my games when you share the largest continent with 4-5 other AI's. having larger empires also stifles you early with maintenance costs ect and having possible more vulnerable parts in which to defend. basically the point of this comparison was for people to play my EXACT settings then theirs, the only setting i changed was turning espionage on to try to appease some.

What you're playing is in essence the same thing as what advanced start gives you but with an added advantage. The way these maps are built is that you build up until you have a large empire that you like (while the AI does the same) and then you go fight. The same thing an advanced start does. The only difference is the difficulty level is such that it's easy to out build the AI so that rather than everyone building up equally or even with an advantage to the AI you get to build up more.

only if you are by yourself or with a wimp of a neighbor. if for example i was to rig the game so we played with tokugawa/genghis/justinian/ and ragnar on the same continent you would be fighting an awful lot more and this advantage would vanish.

The most interesting AI on this map I think is Isabella, I generally like her because she's like one of those tiny dogs that barks at everything but can't bite at all. Survaryman really does suck for a neighbor though, he's usually in all my games too which makes it even worse.

, so right. shes even demanding things from me, shes one of my victims and a easy one since shes been blocked and very weak. in almost all of my games shes always annoyed with me .

Tell you what, I'll start over again and see how close I can get. It's probably not that difficult. In the one I restarted I pulled off the same worker theft and then took peace. Khmer invaded me again a little later, know what I'm fighting him off with? 2 workers. I don't even need an army, his AI is basically one that tells him to go harass workers, so I'm literally running him around in circles without having to defend my cities. Best of all, the worker stuff gets broken up rather than all at once but the workers are able to work on improvements every turn while running around.

with the size of this map and the abundant resources on every continent its quite possible that you wont be able to get a domination win. you may have to win diplomatically or culturally or via space. post your saves if you however can, id like to see it. on my current game i think i can pull it off, the only question is how many volunteer vassals will i get if any and how many cities need i take to force them to be my vassals. the other thing is the length this requires by the time i get to my 3rd or 4th victim will i have the upper hand with techs or will i need more units.

you seem to know that sureyevan(?) pretty well, i dont. got him chasing your workers heh .

Pretty much the point. In the first game knowing continent locations leads to much quicker circumnavigation. In the second game continents are shaped a bit different (more across than up and down) so it's not as big of an issue.

yeah the continent generation was alot better this game along with no super mega huge continents too. circumnavigating the globe with these settings is always possible tho, i select no land on the poles for more usable space and less time remodeling the map.

I don't know python that well but I'm looking at the mapscript now (any text editor will open it), and it looks like you can change how common they are. Lines 386 to 389, increasing the numbers should increase how common resources are at those levels. My guess at what happened on the first map is that it clumped resources together on our continent and just gave us sea resources. The other continents seemed to lack those for the most part.

do you know how to change the lat's of where and when tundra/ice start and stop? i can make it so there are no deserts but then thered be alotta tundra.

No, just something I noticed and was curious about. Your standard strategy revolves heavily around stone and we started with it in both games, along with stone that doesn't naturally occur (grass hill stone), so I found it curious.

gotcha. we got a resource rich continent this time. cant say bout coal or uranium or aluminum but we have two oil's.

If you can handle that Immortal game I posted until 1000 AD (even if you lose at that point) you can handle Immortal on your map settings, actually since your map settings are really worth -1 or -2 difficulty levels you could handle deity.

i like to go one level at a time, my habbit.

[brandonjm8]

Gee... more personal insults, what a surprise. Maybe you should look up the definition of a question so that you can better understand the concept.



Gee... more personal insults, what a surprise. Your facts have been questionable at best in this thread and others.

That thread was closed because of your personal insults, which are against site rules. You seem to be ignoring the reality of the situation.

You seem to think somebody will win or lose... like this is a game... it isn't. What this is a community where we discuss civ, not personal insults. Maybe you should read the posting FAQ and you will understand what this site is all about.

I will let others judge from simply looking at the posts we are both making.
I'm confident they will see the reality of the situation here.

go ahead and look up the definition, go ahead. unless a sentence is ended by a "?" its not a question, ever heard of expressions? <--- hey look a question mark . actually that other thread was closed after YOUR last post there, not mine. also i wasnt banned or warned. maybe just maybe your not as righteous as you think you are . maybe just maybe the other two that agree with me or parts at least are not the only ones who notice the facts in which i provide and you just simply write them off for your own personal gain . and your making this a game by being presumptuous, assuming, condescending, and patronizing others and yet most if not all of your posts in regards to me are inaccurate . and with all that said YOU cant seem to stop talking to me, ever notice i dont talk to you i only reply to your baseless posts in regards to me? <---- hey look another question mark .

[Ming]

And you shouldn't put stone on a grassland hill when using WB. It just shows that you are indeed rigging the game to your style of play. If that's what you want, fine... but don't try to deny that you aren't rigging the game.

Hmmm... no response to this.
Simply put... BUSTED

[brandonjm8]

And you shouldn't put stone on a grassland hill when using WB. It just shows that you are indeed rigging the game to your style of play. If that's what you want, fine... but don't try to deny that you aren't rigging the game.

ive noticed marble and iron and most other strategic resources including stone on a variety of tiles including grass hills , it must suck to be you and be so intellectually challenged

[brandonjm8]

Hmmm... no response to this.
Simply put... BUSTED

simply put, MING'S INTELLECTUALLY CHALLENGED

[Ming]

go ahead and look up the definition, go ahead. unless a sentence is ended by a "?" its not a question, ever heard of expressions? <--- hey look a question mark .

Maybe you really should look up the definition. I did look it up.

actually that other thread was closed after YOUR last post there, not mine. also i wasnt banned or warned. maybe just maybe your not as righteous as you think you are .

While you are always welcome to your own personal opinion, I leave it up to others reading the posts and making their own judgements.

maybe just maybe the other two that agree with me or parts at least are not the only ones who notice the facts in which i provide and you just simply write them off for your own personal gain . and your making this a game by being presumptuous, assuming, condescending, and patronizing others and yet most if not all of your posts in regards to me are inaccurate . and with all that said YOU cant seem to stop talking to me, ever notice i dont talk to you i only reply to your baseless posts in regards to me? <---- hey look another question mark .

You are again welcome to your own opinions... but the "facts" you continue to think as facts are all questionable at best and would probably best be called opinions.

And when you get a chance, I'm sure people would love to hear again how you didn't rig your game by adding stone. Next time, don't put it on a grassland hill, that's a dead give away.

[Ming]

ive noticed marble and iron and most other strategic resources including stone on a variety of tiles including grass hills , it must suck to be you and be so intellectually challenged

At least I don't put stone on a grassland hill and then deny that I didn't rig the game.
I will leave it to others to see the truth on their own.

And again, a typical response from you... just more personal insults.

[brandonjm8]

Maybe you really should look up the definition. I did look it up.



While you are always welcome to your own personal opinion, I leave it up to others reading the posts and making their own judgements.



You are again welcome to your own opinions... but the "facts" you continue to think as facts are all questionable at best and would probably best be called opinions.

And when you get a chance, I'm sure people would love to hear again how you didn't rig your game by adding stone. Next time, don't put it on a grassland hill, that's a dead give away.

poor poor little itty bitty ming, your not getting your way are ya? <--- hey another question mark .

everything you are has led you to accuse anyone of anything to bring them down to your level. now people will see you've reverted to accusing me of anything you can think of since im making a fool outta you. all the facts i have provided have been quotes letter for letter and are not opinions . in your opinion only are you righteous .

poor poor ming

[brandonjm8]

At least I don't put stone on a grassland hill and then deny that I didn't rig the game.
I will leave it to others to see the truth on their own.

And again, a typical response from you... just more personal insults.

and again a typical response from you, if you cant beat them accuse them .

only a INTELLECTUALLY CHALLENGED person such as yourself could stoop this low

[Ming]

The facts here are quite simple.
I leave it up to the posters to make up their own minds.
Enjoy.