Noble to Prince - unbearable

[Senethro]

Wow, you're lucky man. I can see how it would be slumming it to come down to the type of game I can play but at least it would only take a few hours of your time as its so short. Your games must take days even with your supercomputer.

[Brael]

yeah i like things big, AI included. alotta havoc and need to multi task against huge powerful AI's too.

i was lucky and got my machine on sale for around $700. its a powerful computer, dual-core, 4 gigs, 600 gigs hdd, nvidia g-force g100 (9800) graphics card. i can play huge games on high settings, its awesome.

Bragging about your computer is pretty lame. Mine is a dual core 4 ghz, 4 gigs of ram (with another 4 sitting on a shelf for when I get around to installing windows 7), 2 TB of hd space, and dual radeon 3850's. Going by passmark, my two video cards benchmark at 872 (793 for a single card) yours benchmarks at 699. I built it myself for $450 about 1.5 years ago and have done quite a few tweaks to overclock it. Someone is always going to have a bigger computer than you, just like someone (likely someone reading this thread) reading this likely has a better one than mine.

i can already tell people wont play my settings/maps, they dont want to play what i specialize in so i dont crush them. for that reason alone i wont change up my settings vice versa for what they might specialize in. if they want a fair comparison between themselves and I, play my settings/maps, simple. then afterwards i'll do the same.

It has nothing to do with trying to avoid what you specialize in. It has more to do with the idea that some people just aren't going to find a map that large with so few civs to be fun. Room to fit 70+ cities without even hitting another civs cultural borders is kind of... lame. That said, I'm sure some people will take you up on it, I might even but it's not the sort of game I really find fun.

no barbs/espionage/events
perm alliances
city flipping after conquest
complete kills
12 civs/prince/7 continents (this is what i will be doing my next game)
i havent chosen my leader yet but if we get enough of you that want to try this out, i may chose my best leader thus far.

No barbs/espionage/events is removing three types of strategy, it's basically vanilla without barbs. Serious question for you since you just started playing BTS, without events what's the point of it? Events were the really big thing in the expansion, you just started playing BTS so why not use the feature?

Complete kills is just lame, you might like it for single player, but if you do MP I would strongly suggest removing it. With that big of a map, someone could be an ass and just run 1 submarine around avoiding you forever. You would never find it.

If you're just talking SP though, upload it. I'll goto atleast 1 ad.

Oh, and if anyone wants to be a pro player (or total fail, I haven't yet decided what this is), manipulate this into happening:

Spoiler:

[Ming]

He considers himself a pro... but will only show an example that won't play on many people's computers, and rigged to play the style he wants to play. And is tricked up. Gee... what a pro. The game will only prove that you rig things in your favor. You would show how much of a pro you were by trying something different, or at least playing on a higher level.

But feel free to prove to everybody what you need to do to keep up that awesome winning streak of yours... heaven forbid you would actually try to make it a real challenge.

No real surprise considering what you post

[brandonjm8]

Wow, you're lucky man. I can see how it would be slumming it to come down to the type of game I can play but at least it would only take a few hours of your time as its so short. Your games must take days even with your supercomputer.

its not a super computer but it is high-end'ish, i have friends that have better, quad cores, 8 gigs and top-o-line graphics cards, but they paid $1,500+ and they custom built it, i envy them but mine is good enough for now. my games average 1-2 weeks if i have to win the space race.

[brandonjm8]

Bragging about your computer is pretty lame. Mine is a dual core 4 ghz, 4 gigs of ram (with another 4 sitting on a shelf for when I get around to installing windows 7), 2 TB of hd space, and dual radeon 3850's. Going by passmark, my two video cards benchmark at 872 (793 for a single card) yours benchmarks at 699. I built it myself for $450 about 1.5 years ago and have done quite a few tweaks to overclock it. Someone is always going to have a bigger computer than you, just like someone (likely someone reading this thread) reading this likely has a better one than mine.

i didnt know i was bragging about my computer, i was just simply stating what you need to play the map script i use, dont you start assuming too now. the best computers are custom built and worth more than some used-cars .

It has nothing to do with trying to avoid what you specialize in. It has more to do with the idea that some people just aren't going to find a map that large with so few civs to be fun. Room to fit 70+ cities without even hitting another civs cultural borders is kind of... lame. That said, I'm sure some people will take you up on it, I might even but it's not the sort of game I really find fun.

its what i like. and yes you can and will eventually hit AI's borders.

and whats fun for you will not be fun for everyone else, everybodys "fun" style of play will be different, gotta get used to it.

No barbs/espionage/events is removing three types of strategy, it's basically vanilla without barbs. Serious question for you since you just started playing BTS, without events what's the point of it? Events were the really big thing in the expansion, you just started playing BTS so why not use the feature?

im not a big fan of events/espionage, if you want them be my guest.

and barbs just wipe out the AI's for me, id rather do that and have more potential enemies and have more bigger world wars.

does anybody else see that im being told how to play civ4 now? . i for one dont ever tell people how to play and which settings to use (i posted my proposed idea only because some people want to compare with me, so do it then). people are different brael, respect that.

Complete kills is just lame, you might like it for single player, but if you do MP I would strongly suggest removing it. With that big of a map, someone could be an ass and just run 1 submarine around avoiding you forever. You would never find it.

the point of complete kills is this: if you lose all your cities put still have some armies out there, you can use those to conquer cities and get back into the game. yes there are asses in MP, but they are everywhere, i mean look at ming, he has nothing better to do but sit on his computer trying to insult someone online, pathetic pathetic little donkey ming

If you're just talking SP though, upload it. I'll goto atleast 1 ad.

no prob, will do.

note tho, if you stop at 1 A.D. on mine i'll do the same on yours, be fair.

[brandonjm8]

He considers himself a pro... but will only show an example that won't play on many people's computers, and rigged to play the style he wants to play. And is tricked up. Gee... what a pro. The game will only prove that you rig things in your favor. You would show how much of a pro you were by trying something different, or at least playing on a higher level.

But feel free to prove to everybody what you need to do to keep up that awesome winning streak of yours... heaven forbid you would actually try to make it a real challenge.

No real surprise considering what you post

i cant help my computer's a nice one

if you have a problem with me playing big maps, who cares, not i. but then again i could always ask you to compare yourself to me, as i said play my way (the rigged way as you say it, cuz your computer cant handle big maps) then afterwards you pick the settings. you do know your spending more time trying to insult me over the internet like a pre-teen than "normal" posting, right?

im actually flattered im getting all this attention, i feel special, jk

(maybe i should start a thread labeled ming's insult forum, what you guys think? )

[Senethro]

Come on Brandonjm8, pro is attitude as well as skill. You've got to be the bigger man and show you've more honour than ming and the like. Do pro-athletes in world tournaments refuse to play against African or less developed nations whos players are less well trained and have poorer equipment? No, they come together for the love of the game and people are willing to make concessions for this to happen. I think pro-gamers should aspire to the same attitudes.
I'm also keen to show off my unique style of play as well and learn from everyones, but its a bit hard to do when you're asking for comparison games that those of us with old laptops can't play!

[brandonjm8]

Come on Brandonjm8, pro is attitude as well as skill. You've got to be the bigger man and show you've more honour than ming and the like. Do pro-athletes in world tournaments refuse to play against African or less developed nations whos players are less well trained and have poorer equipment? No, they come together for the love of the game and people are willing to make concessions for this to happen. I think pro-gamers should aspire to the same attitudes.
I'm also keen to show off my unique style of play as well and learn from everyones, but its a bit hard to do when you're asking for comparison games that those of us with old laptops can't play!

i hear ya about being the bigger person and ignoring those flies you never can seem to swat at with the fly swatter, i did at first then i thought maybe if i turned it around on him he'd stop. you stand up to bullies/jerks in reality so i'd thought i'd give it a go. he has nothing better to do and its sad, but i will and keep my word this time and ignore ming from now on.

af far as the lowering my map sizes and switching settings, my game at the moment is keen and specialized on the way i play right now, im tweaking my game right now going up levels til monarch, then on my way to deity. only for fair comparison reasons do i insist on playing my settings/maps then i'd play with theirs as to have an equal comparison since i specialize my way and others their way, the only real fair way of comparing players is for one to play the others way then vice-versa. as far as old laptops not being able to handle the larger maps, i feel for ya. if i remember right, with the highest map size on mine with a specific mod you can have like 40+ AI's , talk about overcrowding.

whats the biggest size map your computer can handle?

[Senethro]

I've been able to play Large maps to about 1850, at which point I've either won or there are so many units on the map that it becomes unplayable. Thats a casual game however. If playing for a reason I'm sure I could stick it out longer.

[wodan11]

well then, play my settings/maps and see how you do. when you dont then dont expect me to ever go to smaller maps and your settings either.

Well we agreed you would share the saves from your next game. That'll be a good time to share crossover metrics. Though even then people who are going for different victory types won't compare.

your attempt to belittle me and make me look foolish wont work. maybe just maybe thats what you thought i thought, you would be mistaken.

I wasn't belittling you. I was trying to sum up the topic and make sure we were in agreement and on the same page.

i can already tell people wont play my settings/maps, they dont want to play what i specialize in so i dont crush them.

You've already had at least 2 takers.

i havent chosen my leader yet but if we get enough of you that want to try this out, i may chose my best leader thus far.

if i get some takers, once im done with my current game i'll upload 4000 B.C. save file.

Great! And, pick whichever leader you like!

Oh, and if anyone wants to be a pro player (or total fail, I haven't yet decided what this is), manipulate this into happening:

Spoiler:

Wow, that... is amazing. I wonder if it was a lightbulb?

as i said play mine then afterwards i'll play yours, aint that fair?

Yes, that's the plan.

and barbs just wipe out the AI's for me, id rather do that and have more potential enemies and have more bigger world wars.

On your settings barbs would be a big problem.

does anybody else see that im being told how to play civ4 now? . i for one dont ever tell people how to play and which settings to use (i posted my proposed idea only because some people want to compare with me, so do it then). people are different brael, respect that.

Brandon, don't be so defensive. He asked why you didn't use those features. How is asking you for your opinion telling you what to do??

note tho, if you stop at 1 A.D. on mine i'll do the same on yours, be fair.

The rest of us will probably play it through and not stop at 1AD.

[brandonjm8]

Well we agreed you would share the saves from your next game. That'll be a good time to share crossover metrics. Though even then people who are going for different victory types won't compare.

trust me, if you go for early conquest you will most likely lose. i know thats my opinion but by the time you get to astronomy, AI's will have ALOT of cities and units, especially if you share your continent with an aggressive AI, but with the big maps you should easily be able to scout the army approaching before you lose dependent on how big the continent is. with 12 AI's and all having ample room w/ my settings for the first game the time itd take to try to wipe them all would lead to the huge tech lead for them and youd be going against infantry on your 3rd or 4th victim. killing the close AI's might be easier but that too is dependent on many factors. i foresee the quickest way to win would be the domination but that could take til the mid-late era at least if things play out the same way with my current game. im keeping the same size map (bout 2x that of huge) but adding two more civs since there was plenty of room leftover, not alot but enough. also this game will take a good time commitment for you guys, you dont have to play it night and day, but if you play 4 hours a day more or less on others, it'd still take a good week or two. its marathon and mapping the globe/making first contact does take some time. this map aint too big well not for me, going from one pole to the other with a 5 movement would take 20+ turns from end to end, bout the same east to west. but this is marathon so turns are tripled as is most everything else, just letting you know.

You've already had at least 2 takers.

sounds good, one of those cant do mine, my maps too big. but if hed like when you pick the map/settings he could join that one if hed like.

sound good Senethro?

Great! And, pick whichever leader you like!

undecided but im leading on tokugawa for perhaps an earlier domination win, still need to think or maybe roosevelt for a vast economically empire, hmmm. im assuming whatever leader i pick will be the same for you right? do you want game file from when i start cuz i need to do some remodeling of the map for changing deserts to plains and reducing how far ice/tundra go so as we have the same exact map, the only way i know how to do this is for you to have the same leader as i, unless im wrong then id need some info on that.

On your settings barbs would be a big problem.

for the AI yes, which is why i dont use them. i want the player to play the AI without the AI being wiped out prematurely by the barbs or slowed down by them either, want em huge.

Brandon, don't be so defensive. He asked why you didn't use those features. How is asking you for your opinion telling you what to do??

yeah i jumped the gun on that and misunderstood at first, sorry brael.

The rest of us will probably play it through and not stop at 1AD.

im only going to do this if everybodys gonna play it through, however long it takes is all right with me, just remember post at 1 A.D., 1000 A.D., and lets do 1500 A.D. and maybe if needed 1750 A.D. should your game go that far. right now on my current game im just over 1700 A.D. since i had less cities than everyone else the entire game, i just started taking genghis apart then its tokugawa's turn then pacal's and then i should be done, with so many units now my turns take longer but i could put that game on hold and start this one should i feel it prudent.

[rah]

After reading about the GG strat, it sounded like fun so I gave it a go this weekend.
I tried Cyrus, Monarch, custom Pangea, standard size. I started in the middle of the world surrounded by Gandi, Monty, Justin, and Churchill. Stone was on my opening screen so I settled on it making GW quite easy. With Monty and Justin there, I figured it was perfect for the strat. Since I was in the middle I figured I couldn't war with everyone so I got churchhill and gandi as the same religion and waited for Monty to attack, and it didn't take long. Justin joined latter so I just turtled and built great generals.

After I got about 13 I figured it was time to go on the offensive.

It was a riot and I recommend that any bloodlust player give it a go.

I was never able to get a stack of 25 great generals though.

I did fall behind a bit on techs but it didn't matter. I even lost the race to Fascism which doesn't happen often so I missed that GG.

I probably generated about 22 or 23 generals but I did lose about 6 or so before they became super units. One at 99.9 odds. The average experience points at the end was about 130 to 140. If anyone says they do this and never loses a general I'll say try not resetting. I could have done more but I won first.

The one big side benefit was the GG's cohort. Besides the 16 GG in by GSOD. (great stack of death) there were about 16 other units that had benefitted from cleaning up after the GGs so they themselves attained kick ass status. Nothing could stand up to them. Later when I went to war with the mayans and the etheopians all I did was locate their SOD, and moved my super stack as close as I could to in my boarder and would declare war. There SOD would enter my territory and my GSOD would vaporize it in 2 or 3 turns. QUALITY over QUANTITY every time.

It was Fun and I thank you for mentioning it.


As to the rest of the discussion in this thread, If you have to stack the setting to win, maybe you're not as good as you think you are. Stack/preferences same thing. A true pro loses games experimenting. If you never lose, you're not challenging yourself enough. I've lost lots of games, but that doesn't make me a bad player. At the Highest level, I have to cherry pick settings to win and get lucky. I guess that makes me not as good as some others that find the highest level easier.

[brandonjm8]

I've been able to play Large maps to about 1850, at which point I've either won or there are so many units on the map that it becomes unplayable. Thats a casual game however. If playing for a reason I'm sure I could stick it out longer.

yeah mines like if i remember correctly about 220 x 136. hmmm, it doesnt take me that long to get to the northern half, took me 19 turns to do what it seems 70% of the distance of N and S, hmmm. idk.

sadly senethro its bout 2x bigger than huge, and huge itself is a bit bigger than large, but if youd like you could play when woodan picks the map/settings, im sure he's gonna pick a much smaller map then myself.

[brandonjm8]

If you have to stack the setting to win, maybe you're not as good as you think you are.

if thats what you want to call it, you play with settings you like so why not I? also just your opinion

Stack/preferences same thing. A true pro loses games experimenting.

once again just your opinion.

If you never lose, you're not challenging yourself enough.

if you had any patience youd remember im still on prince, is it alright if i continue my march upwards on levels? just asking. either way your going to have to be patient. i easily handled monarch on vanilla so i feel pretty confident, i know i will start to lose once i get to emperor but in due time, i still think im better than the average player thus and what i consider to be a pro makes me a pro, im not the best so dont misunderstand that, i still have much to learn but i catch on quickly and will win more than i lose. that may seem cocky to some but im just confident, i may fall on me arse or i may not, will see.

oh and rah, why dont you join woodan on playing my map/settings and then when its woodan's turn to pick map/settings you could join us along with Senethro if he tags along too. we are just posting the 4000 B.C. game save and we each will play the exact same file and compare with one another, my maps/settings first then woodan's, you up to it? can your comp handle 2x bigger than huge maps? if interested let us know.

[rah]

if thats what you want to call it, you play with settings you like so why not I? also just your opinion

The difference is that I don't claim to be an expert just because I pick my settings.

once again just your opinion.

If you read everyone else's posts in this thread you will notice that everyone seems to agree with me. But you're right, it's just an opinion.

And remembering you're still on prince has nothing to do with my patience, experimenting can be done on every level. I'm happy to see that you don't consider yourself the best since it's pretty obvious. I would prefer that you take suggestions for what they are, and not as insults. You're do seem to be a bit over sensitive. But if you do insult people, please expect to be insulted back. War gamers can be expected to be pompous bragging asses. It comes with the territory.