OCC question

[wodan11]

I disagree that CE is not a good option for OCC.

In particular, Bureaucracy leverages the CE, but not a SE.

That said, there's nothing wrong with running cottages AND specialists.

Wodan

[Krill]

Speaking from experience, while you'll want a couple of cottages until you get hed rule and caste system, after that time specialists are better in every respect, and an SE is better than a CE.

[wodan11]

Originally posted by Krill
Speaking from experience, while you'll want a couple of cottages until you get hed rule and caste system, after that time specialists are better in every respect, and an SE is better than a CE.

Speaking from experience, it's good to mix cottages and farms, depending on how many food resources you have. As you progress through the game, cottage over the farms. A CE is progressively better than a SE over the course of the game. A SE simply can't keep up once you're past your 10th GP or so.

Wodan

[Krill]

Taking into account representation, National Park and the prevalance of buildings that grant engineer specialists and biology, you're wrong.

Throwout a 4000BC save (on Prince) and I'll show you why if you want.

[rah]

I've always done it along the path Krill discussed (not exactly the same) but it would be fun to see a comparison.

[Hauptman]

Originally posted by alot of people
I play OCC all wrong.

First off, only ONE choice for that perfect OCC leader, Peter.

Health is your ONLY issue so +3 health is nice. And the ONLY way to expand your empire, is with great people.

Financial is only worth a max of 19 commerce in PERFECT land areas. so thats out. But philo is all important. At the end of one of my OCC games, My city can build SS parts in 4-5 turns for the expensive ones on marathon, while cranking 1200+

As for national wonders. moi statues is a must on seafood starts (my prefered). Oxford is a must. National epic, also a must. If I have a ton of forests at the start, I keep them and build the national park, that helps happiness and adds more specialists. If no forsest, globe theater. and even without the resources in my radius, I tend to build ironworks. I can trade for the resources. Course it's only a 50% bonus with National park, but still worth it.

[Hauptman]

Here they are, Not peter, was tryin something different.

The Begining.




The Middle. Nowhere near what it finally got too.

[Krill]

Originally posted by Hauptman


First off, only ONE choice for that perfect OCC leader, Peter.

Health is your ONLY issue so +3 health is nice. And the ONLY way to expand your empire, is with great people.

Financial is only worth a max of 19 commerce in PERFECT land areas. so thats out. But philo is all important. At the end of one of my OCC games, My city can build SS parts in 4-5 turns for the expensive ones on marathon, while cranking 1200+

As for national wonders. moi statues is a must on seafood starts (my prefered). Oxford is a must. National epic, also a must. If I have a ton of forests at the start, I keep them and build the national park, that helps happiness and adds more specialists. If no forsest, globe theater. and even without the resources in my radius, I tend to build ironworks. I can trade for the resources. Course it's only a 50% bonus with National park, but still worth it.

It's only +2 health, but yeah, it is important and adds up to quite a bit over the course of the game, but after you get the NP it isn't as important. While you can get out the workers a little quicker, I figure fast workers give you the edge in improving your land (and you aren't going to want more than 3 anyway, really).

Gandhi's nice if you want a little flexibility, but considering it is OCC, I'd agree that there isn;t an awful lot of point in that flexibility.

[wodan11]

Originally posted by Krill
Taking into account representation, National Park and the prevalance of buildings that grant engineer specialists and biology, you're wrong.

Taking into account Free Speech etc, the prevalence of buildings that boost commerce or grant free specialists, and you're wrong.

Throwout a 4000BC save (on Prince) and I'll show you why if you want.

Should be interesting.

Wodan

[Krill]

Stock version, not some version of an unofficial patch...

[Krill]

[q=Wodan11]
Taking into account Free Speech etc, the prevalence of buildings that boost commerce or grant free specialists, and you're wrong.
[/q]

Free Speech v. Bureaucracy doesn't even regisiter, bureaucracy wins every time. Majority of buildings boost beakers or gold, not commerce, so benefit just as much from specialists as cottages. Free specialists are also available under a SE, and more powerful because of representation whereas you need to run uni sufferage in a CE to get production.

[Swiss Pauli]

A peaceful (and that means no bribing AIs to fight each other as well) SS win on monarch is quite straightforward if you have a couple of food specials without any cottaging.

Emperor is nigh on impossible thanks to the newly competent AI. I can get one out of 10 with a tweaked map (Rocky, small) and good food.

Leader would be either Peter or Bismarck.

[wodan11]

Originally posted by Krill
Stock version, not some version of an unofficial patch...

Sorry, you'll have to install the patch to play it, rather than use the buggy version of the game.

Wodan

[Krill]

Shall I play OCC with the Fall from Heaven mod as well?

[wodan11]

Originally posted by Krill
Shall I play OCC with the Fall from Heaven mod as well?

No

Wodan