Iron Works vs. Heroic Epic

[UnOrthOdOx]

Originally posted by wodan11
Yeah having to have the resource in the radius is old school civ.

Wodan

Huh.

Learn something every day.

Fact is, I can count the number of games of CIV I've actually played out long enough to get to the iron works on one hand. I typically have them beat or are beaten long before that and can't stand to follow through with the domination/teching/whatever to actually end the game and just restart.

[johnmcd]

I hardly ever bother to build West Point and I think I've never built the Red Cross.

[Supr49er]

Originally posted by johnmcd
I hardly ever bother to build West Point and I think I've never built the Red Cross.

Don't you fight wars?

[Ming]

Originally posted by snoopy369
I prefer to put heroic epic in my #2 hammer city. My #1 hammer city builds wonders, and my #2 hammer city produces the fastest mil units - and basically does nothing but produce mil units (except if i'm over my mil unit limits and don't actually need any for a bit, I will produce forge, factory, etc.). With the 100% bonus, it can produce them very quickly (+50% additionally from the academy also), and I never fall behind in power, no matter how wonder focused I might become, if my #2 city is always producing huge quantities of mil units (usually 1 modern unit every 2 or at most 3 turns!).

It definitely gets paired with WP, not IW. The Iron Works goes to either my wonder producing city (if i'm doing a GP city elsewhere), or possibly to my #3 hammer city to become a multipurpose wonder/unit city if my #1 city gets the GP natoinal wonders (ie, national epic) if I for some reason don't have a GPP city.

What snoopy said... pretty much sums up my attitude.

[Sabre2th]

It depends on the situation, of course, but I generally put Heroic Epic and West Point in my 2nd highest producer and keep Iron Works for my highest producer.

[Jvstin]

Originally posted by Supr49er


Don't you fight wars?

Some people aren't warmongers. Like me. I will fight wars as needed in all games, but offensive wars are uncommon for me.

[Yosho]

I build the heroic epic ASAP in the best city I have. Buidling it in your #2 city or whever seems self-defeating; it might be good in the long run, but I want good units NOW.

I don't really have fixed pairs. I generally think that every situation is different, and that an advantage now>an advantage later. West point, especally, I usually get quite late, and I don't wait for it.

And red cross, I almost never build. By the time I've got that many hospitals, I'm rarely in a sitatuion where it seems like a medic unit is a big deal; by that point, it's usally either "bomb the city, roll the tanks in, let a few tanks heal in that city for a few turns while the rest of my army rolls on" or else it's "build those last few spaceship parts ASAP". (shrug) I build it once in a wihle, but it's not usually a priority.

[Quillan]

There's a difference between not building West Point because you never managed to get a level 6 unit and not building West Point because you just don't want to. If you qualify for it, I can't imagine not building it. An extra 4 XP for every unit built in that city is huge, even for a non-warmonger. You get attacked on occasion.

[Supr49er]

Originally posted by Jvstin


Some people aren't warmongers. Like me. I will fight wars as needed in all games, but offensive wars are uncommon for me.

Building high XP units can build up your military demographics, and can often keep you from being attacked. So even a peacful strategy can use the military wonders.

[wodan11]

Promotions affect the Power graph?!?

Wodan

[Supr49er]

Originally posted by wodan11
Promotions affect the Power graph?!?

Wodan

I think XP must. I have had way fewer units than GK, but they had higher XP, and I was close in power.

That sounds ambiguous. I mean I have fewer units but more XP than GK and we are about even in power.

[Krill]

IIRC they don't, I recall a couple of debates over it in the past.

[wodan11]

Originally posted by Supr49er


I think XP must. I have had way fewer units than GK, but they had higher XP, and I was close in power.

That sounds ambiguous. I mean I have fewer units but more XP than GK and we are about even in power.

You sure you didn't just have more walls, castles, and barracks?

Wodan

[Supr49er]

Originally posted by wodan11

You sure you didn't just have more walls, castles, and barracks?

Wodan

No. I'll keep a closer eye on that next game.

What are the factors for power?
#units
#barracks/castle/walls
base strength of units
XP
promotions

[snoopy369]

That should be trivial to discover via source code... see what the python calls to get the power number, and then look that up in the source (assuming python doesn't do the math itself, but it probably doesn't as that number is used elsewhere).