Wonders

[snoopy369]

I'll say never quite confidently. It's in the XML

You cannot have popped a settler at noble level because it's not available. Chieftain and warlord, only. The way they calculate pops is you have a list in the XML for difficulty level, something like
1: High Gold
2: High Gold
3: Low Gold
4: Low Gold
5: Scout
6: Scout
7: Maps
8: Maps
9: Maps
0: Barbarians

That would be roughly noble level (I'm probably leaving something out but it's close). It randomly chooses a number, mod 10, and gives you whichever of those 10 that is chosen.

Look in the xml files if you don't believe me

[wodan11]

Maybe they were running a mod or scenario? Or, probably more likely, simply misremembered the level.

Wodan

[snoopy369]

Indeed I can't imagine a mod that would add settlers to the hut pops, so I presume the latter.

[Ming]

Sometimes, the game resets back to the original settings instead of remembering what the last game you played was. I played one game that I thought was on Monarch... I was kicking butt like never before, just cruised to an easy victory, and then when HOF listing came up, it said it was a chieftan game... bummer

[Blaupanzer]

I have popped techs on Noble. So the list must be a bit different from that shown.

[snoopy369]

Ah, yes, I didn't include tech on that list, I think tech is one line instead of high_gold ... there might be one more low_gold instead of a maps also, I forget.

[Unimatrix11]

Just to clarify - i think my bro played on either cheiftain or warlord (i think the later - but not settler) when he popped a settler.

[snoopy369]

Chieftain definitely has settlers, I don't recall if warlord does or not. Definitely not Noble (the lowest i've ever played).

[joncnunn]

Chieftain & Warlords both have settlers and workers. Neither of them are found on Noble+ by default. (And for good reason IMHO)

[Locutus]

Excerpts from Civ4HandicapInfo.xml:

HANDICAP_SETTLER

GOODY_HIGH_GOLD
GOODY_HIGH_GOLD
GOODY_HIGH_GOLD
GOODY_HIGH_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_MAP
GOODY_SETTLER
GOODY_SETTLER
GOODY_WARRIOR
GOODY_WARRIOR
GOODY_SCOUT
GOODY_WORKER
GOODY_WORKER
GOODY_EXPERIENCE
GOODY_HEALING
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_TECH


HANDICAP_CHIEFTAIN

GOODY_HIGH_GOLD
GOODY_HIGH_GOLD
GOODY_HIGH_GOLD
GOODY_HIGH_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_MAP
GOODY_SETTLER
GOODY_SETTLER
GOODY_WARRIOR
GOODY_WARRIOR
GOODY_SCOUT
GOODY_WORKER
GOODY_WORKER
GOODY_EXPERIENCE
GOODY_HEALING
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_BARBARIANS_WEAK


HANDICAP_WARLORD

GOODY_HIGH_GOLD
GOODY_HIGH_GOLD
GOODY_HIGH_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_MAP
GOODY_MAP
GOODY_SETTLER
GOODY_WARRIOR
GOODY_WARRIOR
GOODY_SCOUT
GOODY_WORKER
GOODY_EXPERIENCE
GOODY_HEALING
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_BARBARIANS_WEAK
GOODY_BARBARIANS_STRONG

HANDICAP_NOBLE

GOODY_HIGH_GOLD
GOODY_HIGH_GOLD
GOODY_HIGH_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_MAP
GOODY_MAP
GOODY_WARRIOR
GOODY_WARRIOR
GOODY_SCOUT
GOODY_EXPERIENCE
GOODY_EXPERIENCE
GOODY_HEALING
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_BARBARIANS_WEAK
GOODY_BARBARIANS_WEAK
GOODY_BARBARIANS_STRONG


HANDICAP_PRINCE

GOODY_HIGH_GOLD
GOODY_HIGH_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_MAP
GOODY_MAP
GOODY_WARRIOR
GOODY_WARRIOR
GOODY_SCOUT
GOODY_EXPERIENCE
GOODY_EXPERIENCE
GOODY_HEALING
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_BARBARIANS_WEAK
GOODY_BARBARIANS_WEAK
GOODY_BARBARIANS_WEAK
GOODY_BARBARIANS_STRONG


HANDICAP_MONARCH

GOODY_HIGH_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_MAP
GOODY_MAP
GOODY_WARRIOR
GOODY_WARRIOR
GOODY_SCOUT
GOODY_EXPERIENCE
GOODY_EXPERIENCE
GOODY_HEALING
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_BARBARIANS_WEAK
GOODY_BARBARIANS_WEAK
GOODY_BARBARIANS_WEAK
GOODY_BARBARIANS_STRONG
GOODY_BARBARIANS_STRONG


HANDICAP_EMPEROR
GOODY_HIGH_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_MAP
GOODY_MAP
GOODY_WARRIOR
GOODY_SCOUT
GOODY_EXPERIENCE
GOODY_HEALING
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_BARBARIANS_WEAK
GOODY_BARBARIANS_WEAK
GOODY_BARBARIANS_WEAK
GOODY_BARBARIANS_STRONG
GOODY_BARBARIANS_STRONG
GOODY_BARBARIANS_STRONG

HANDICAP_IMMORTAL

GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_MAP
GOODY_MAP
GOODY_WARRIOR
GOODY_SCOUT
GOODY_EXPERIENCE
GOODY_HEALING
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_BARBARIANS_WEAK
GOODY_BARBARIANS_WEAK
GOODY_BARBARIANS_WEAK
GOODY_BARBARIANS_STRONG
GOODY_BARBARIANS_STRONG
GOODY_BARBARIANS_STRONG
GOODY_BARBARIANS_STRONG


HANDICAP_DEITY

GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_LOW_GOLD
GOODY_MAP
GOODY_WARRIOR
GOODY_SCOUT
GOODY_EXPERIENCE
GOODY_HEALING
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_TECH
GOODY_BARBARIANS_WEAK
GOODY_BARBARIANS_WEAK
GOODY_BARBARIANS_STRONG
GOODY_BARBARIANS_STRONG
GOODY_BARBARIANS_STRONG
GOODY_BARBARIANS_STRONG
GOODY_BARBARIANS_STRONG
GOODY_BARBARIANS_STRONG

So on Settler and Chieftain you have a 10% chance of a Settler, on Warlords 5%, above that none. Same for Workers.

[Petrus2]

Nice list. It begs the question (at least to me), how does it change if you pop the hut with a scout vice a warrior (or other non-scout)?

[snoopy369]

Ah, it was 20 and not 10. That explains why I couldn't seem to get the numbers right...

I believe the scout pushes up the number by some fixed amount (3?) so whereas before it was 0..19 it is now 3..22 (or whatever, I don't recall the number) thus eliminating the worst outcomes. I am not sure how it determines "good result" versus "less good result", however.

[Locutus]

Originally posted by Petrus2
Nice list. It begs the question (at least to me), how does it change if you pop the hut with a scout vice a warrior (or other non-scout)?

You'll never get Barbs (I believe when Barbs come up you get an empty hut instead).

[darrelljs]

Originally posted by Locutus


You'll never get Barbs (I believe when Barbs come up you get an empty hut instead).

Negative results are re-rolled.

Darrell

[Locutus]

Correction: when you move onto a goody hut, the game will do ten 'attempts' to pop it. Every attempt it'll randomly select something from the lists I posted above and look if the player/unit in question meets the requirements that may be associated with that outcome (i.e. Scouts can't pop Barbs, you can't get Settlers in OCC, you can only get certain techs from huts so you those should still be available, etc). Only if it fails on all ten attempts you get nothing. So a Scout doesn't necessarily give you nothing if the outcome would otherwise have been Barbs.