CivIV: Beyond the Sword

[couerdelion]

Is that because this is a PC game

[Spiffor]

Also because you never know if Germany will ban the game from its market, if you allow the German player to act as Hitler.

[Roman]

Heh, I have not actually played Civilization 4 yet. I was in Malaysia at the time and failed to find a legitimate copy. Although I am now no longer there, it has been so long that I did not actually get into the game, but this new expansion might be a perfect opportunity to jump back in.

[Solver]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Also because you never know if Germany will ban the game from its market, if you allow the German player to act as Hitler.

You do know. If you'd allow the player to play as Hitler, 99% says Germans would ban the game completely.

[Harovan]

Yes, just like they banned HOI2.

Oh wait, it doesn't have Adolf Hitler. It does have Albert Hiller. For those who don't have one of the numerous mods installed.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Spiffor

About as many as Mohammed becoming a leader choice

at least Hitler didn't marry an 8 year old girl.

*runs away*

[MJW]

Chances of this thread becoming a flame war about Islam: 20 percent.

Edit: I think it is more like a five percent chance for Apolyton. But a flamewar can happen anywhere at anytime.

[Solver]

Chance of it being closed if that ensues: 100 percent.
Chance of a banning if a flame war ensues: 85 percent.

[MJW]

I think the real reason why single player strats are imblance Spiffor is that the only way for the AI to act rationally is to play the game like a human. This would make the game unplayable for you for many reasons. So the game makers do not do it.

But it tottally ends the powergamers fun and effectivly turns SP into how to expoilt the AI and game ideas and interfaces to the max. There are only a few uber ideas in the game. Most gamers at heart are powergamers or purely casual gamers; and that is the real reason why hardly anyone plays TBS. Powergamers don't play because the gameplay is broken. Casual gamers don't play because the game play takes a long time and it is not flashy.

The only real way for TBS to be popular again is to make the game 100% for the powergamer. There is no gameplay difference if the uber-idea is 10%(Civ4) or 70% (Civ3) more effective than the next idea. They are both going to be played 100% of the time. For example if you could come back in the late game than you should have rushed earlyer.

[chequita guevara]

I was just breaking my addiction to Civ IV too.

[Dis]

you can powergame civ4. just play at settler level.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Oh wait, it doesn't have Adolf Hitler. It does have Albert Hiller. For those who don't have one of the numerous mods installed.

Does HoI have elaborate leaderheads?
The problem with a Hitler leaderhead is that it would be much work for Firaxians, and they can't just pass him for a fictional character.
Just like HoI2 couldn't make a nazi flag with a small twist, and have it called a fictional flag. Well, maybe they could have tried, but they prefered staying on the safe side.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by MJW
I think the real reason why single player strats are imblance Spiffor is that the only way for the AI to act rationally is to play the game like a human. This would make the game unplayable for you for many reasons. So the game makers do not do it.

Actually, it's increasingly so, over the different episodes in Civ.

In Civ4, the AI is watching if you're going to victory, and will try to prevent it, unless you really are best friends. At the very least, the AI won't trade techs with you if you're shooting for space victory.
And the AI has a "playerlike" memory: i.e it remembers the offenses of the early and mid-game, even though it is absurd from a historical perspective (who cares, in 1950 AD, that I stopped trading with them in 300 BC? Nobody in the real world).

The only real way for TBS to be popular again is to make the game 100% for the powergamer.

I thought Civ4 had been quite a cash-cow for 2k and Firaxis

[-FC-Commando]

whoohoo

The Netherlands are back!

It aint much if it aint Dutch

[Sirotnikov]

(who cares, in 1950 AD, that I stopped trading with them in 300 BC? Nobody in the real world).

Who cares in England and France in the 21st century about the 100 years war that ended in the 15th century?

Who cares in the 21st century, that the christians conquered Jerusalem in the 12th century?