XP2: All Bets Are On!

[Alexander I]

If another religion were to be added, I would almost certainly guarantee it would be Zoroastrianism. Granted, there are not nearly as many as there used to be, but their impact on world history and on monotheistic faiths in particular is immense.

[Xorbon]

Re: XP2: All Bets Are On!

Originally posted by Alexander01
Title/Theme: Age of Discovery
Civs: Babylon, Mayans, Iroquois, Dutch, Portuguese, Byzantines
Units: Cruise Missile, Partisan
Wonders: Statue of Zeus, Mausoleum, East India Trading Co. (or something like it)
New Leaders: Meiji, Lincoln, Pericles, Philip II
Features: Something for Trade, Something for Diplomacy, Better AI (duh)

There's a difference between what i want to see, and what I expect to see in a new expansion. (You could also call my expectations "guesses".)

Theme:
Whatever. Let's say, "Age of Aquarius" just so I don't leave this blank.

Civs:
Want: Babylon, Mayans, Ethiopians, Thais, Harappa, Hittites
Expect: Babylon, Mayans, Ethiopia*, Dutch, Portuguese, Byzantines
(* just to be different from you )

Units:
Want: Paratrooper, Zeppelin (early air unit), Helicopter Transport, Ballista
Expect: Cruise Missile, AEGIS Cruiser, Nuclear Sub, Paratrooper

Wonders:
I like your list, but I'll also add in Leonardo's Workshop (as a unit upgrade cost reducer like Civ 3, not the Civ 2 version)

Leaders:
Want & Expect: Meiji, Pericles, Darius, Osman, Lincoln

Improvements:
Want: Airfield (tile improvement)
Expect: ? None ?

Features:
Want (in order of preference): new trade features, improved diplomacy, something for religion + improved AI
Expect (in order of emphasis by developers): improved diplomacy, something for religion, improved AI, and new trade features

[Addled Platypus]

cross post http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...hreadid=158722

wanna play ?

lets pick a date when we think the patch might be released

+2 for the winner

Hopefulls winners:

Oct 31 Forwarn45

Nov 2 Krill
Nov 3 Meergle
Nov 4 Elwro
Nov 6 Xorbon
Nov 7 Virdrago
Nov 8 chuckdelicious
Nov 5 Unspeakable Horror
Nov 9 Adagio
Nov 11 Platypus Rex

Dec 1 nugog
Dec 5 LordShiva


Losers so far:
Oct 25 Tattila the Hun
Oct 27 Risa
Oct 30 Sebp

[LordShiva]

Pessimism

[Addled Platypus]

both threads updated

[Perfection]

Originally posted by Solver


Well, if you can stage a coup to overthrow Markos and Dan and give Apolyton to me, I might consider publically saying whether XP2 has Giant Death Robots or not .

There better be Giant Death Robots! Those things are awesome.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Solver
Well, if you can stage a coup to overthrow Markos and Dan and give Apolyton to me

I would do it, but I think it's against the forum rules

[Alexander I]

Re: Re: XP2: All Bets Are On!

Originally posted by Xorbon
There's a difference between what i want to see, and what I expect to see in a new expansion. (You could also call my expectations "guesses".)

Units:
Want: Paratrooper, Zeppelin (early air unit), Helicopter Transport, Ballista
Expect: Cruise Missile, AEGIS Cruiser, Nuclear Sub, Paratrooper

Leaders:
Want & Expect: Meiji, Pericles, Darius, Osman, Lincoln

I like your Unit ideas (especially the zeppelin). I think modern units come a little too abruptly after the middle ages -- there should be a few steps in between. In the modern era is really long and without a great deal of diversity in terms of units, buildings, wonders, etc.

I also like your leader preferences. Obviously I think Meiji, Pericles and Lincoln are shoe-ins, but I think the fourth slot (if there's only to be 4 again) is a toss-up between Darius (I or III) of Persia and Philip II of Spain. Japan, Greece, Spain and Persia all need second leaders, because the first three are all too aggressive and the last is too friendly. Diversity!

[Xorbon]

That unit list was at the top of my head. I'd also like to see a modern, 2-move artillery unit: like 'Self-Propelled Artillery' or 'Rocket Artillery'.

A modern version of the explorer would be nice too. Something like an 'Armored Scout Car' or 'Motorized Scout' that is represented by a Humvee, Jeep, or light-armored vehicle. I just don't like having the explorer in my build list in the modern era.

We don't want to concentrate too much on modern units though.

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Xorbon
We don't want to concentrate too much on modern units though.

Well of course. just enough to flesh it out. I still think the middle ages is somewhat sparse, and the renaissance virtually non-existant. Maybe add in dragoons and bombards.

And why have all my medieval infantry got to be macemen? Why not add in men-at-arms/footmen and make macemen the upgraded melee attack (axemen) and footmen the upgraded city attack (swordsmen)? After all, I like the specialized ancient infantry. It didn't make sense to take it away in the middle ages. Especially with both longbows and crossbows diversifying the archers. Why not diversify the infanty too?

[Virdrago]

Originally posted by Alexander01


Well of course. just enough to flesh it out. I still think the middle ages is somewhat sparse, and the renaissance virtually non-existant. Maybe add in dragoons and bombards.

And why have all my medieval infantry got to be macemen? Why not add in men-at-arms/footmen and make macemen the upgraded melee attack (axemen) and footmen the upgraded city attack (swordsmen)? After all, I like the specialized ancient infantry. It didn't make sense to take it away in the middle ages. Especially with both longbows and crossbows diversifying the archers. Why not diversify the infanty too?

Agreed. Though my knowledge of medieval warfare is little, at best, I did notice the war machine diversity "funnel" in the medieval age. This includes the chariots and horse archers merging into knights (or cavalry, if you skip Guilds).

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Virdrago

Agreed. Though my knowledge of medieval warfare is little, at best, I did notice the war machine diversity "funnel" in the medieval age. This includes the chariots and horse archers merging into knights (or cavalry, if you skip Guilds).

Yes. In Civ4, the middle ages are dull and short. I say liven and lengthen it up a bit!

[belchingjester]

Virdrago & Alexander01,
One issue would be a split upgrade path - swords have to become footmen, axes have to be maces. That might not be a big deal.

What would be the cheap unit (cheaper than knights/cavalry) for chariots to upgrade to? Something with a cost around 70, 8 Strength - wait, that sounds like a mobile maceman! Light cavalry I guess. If it gets a withdraw chance like chariots I can see most people abandoning macemen for light cavalry.

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by belchingjester
Virdrago & Alexander01,
One issue would be a split upgrade path - swords have to become footmen, axes have to be maces. That might not be a big deal.

What would be the cheap unit (cheaper than knights/cavalry) for chariots to upgrade to? Something with a cost around 70, 8 Strength - wait, that sounds like a mobile maceman! Light cavalry I guess. If it gets a withdraw chance like chariots I can see most people abandoning macemen for light cavalry.

The trouble with that is that light cavalry would be a fairly lame unit.

[Brutus66]

I would like to see a guerrilla/partisan unit, something a little weaker than infantry but with a woodsman promotion. It would be cheap to build and used to harass. It would be a good late-game unit for barbs too.

And maybe a militia unit- you might get two when drafting units; it would be a lousy attacker but good city defender.

I would like to see alpine troops make a comeback- they could be the only unit able to traverse mountains.