America?

[padillah]

Originally posted by Henrik


Um... No.

In fact, currently there's no way to leave the union at all.

Except for the fact that the enforcement of a Constitution will present a de facto right to secede. (It is, in point of fact, Article 58 of the draft EU Constitution.)

See This PDF for an in depth conversation by someone that cares.

It's also referenced in this article on Slate. To quote: "... the European Union's draft constitution provides a mechanism for states to leave it. " (There is a relevant link in the body of the article.)

It does however mention that there is no such mechanism in the U.S.

EDIT: I should say, there is no legal way for a state to secede from the U.S. The land the state occupies is owned by the federal government and as such cannot be annexed (you can't just steal a state).

Even if a private person that owned enough land wanted to secede they would have to present reasonable argument to override Emminant Domain. Since the Supreme Court ruled that annexing personal land for a shopping mall falls under Emminant Domain I would guess cessation of secetion would most definately.

Tom P.

[Henrik]

Hence my use of the word "currently"

[padillah]

Well, without a ratified Constitution they are simply members of a Treaty Organization and can break form from that organization by simply not participating.

I'm not saying there wouldn't be consequences, and a move like that would do untold damage to the EU at this stage in it's infancy, but it is possible. Currently.

Tom P.

[DirtyMartini]

Originally posted by Prussia
Not to mention the fact that these are NOT terrorists, since normal every-day terrorists don't WARN THE PUBLIC WHEN AND WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO ATTACK, and warn them to stay clear.

I thought the definition of terrorist was someone who attacks innocents and those who cannot defend themselves purposefully and causes general collateral damage.

I don't think there is a universally accepted definition of "terrorism" or "terrorist". One man's patriot is another man's terrorist.




Just stirring the pot...

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by DirtyMartini
I don't think there is a universally accepted definition of "terrorism" or "terrorist". One man's patriot is another man's terrorist.

Just stirring the pot...

Stop threadjacking the threadjack that threadjacked a threadjack on this spam thread

[padillah]

Originally posted by DirtyMartini
I don't think there is a universally accepted definition of "terrorism" or "terrorist". One man's patriot is another man's terrorist.

Just stirring the pot...

The current threadjack is of the "EU membership and Constitution" or "America saved the world in WWI". If you are going to threadjack at least have the decency to stay on-off-topic.

If you wish to start a new threadjack please see Lord Shiva, I'm sure he'd love to talk about almost anything else.

Tom P.

[DirtyMartini]

Sorry, the runaway discussion left my comment out of order and out of context and I didn't have the decency to quote the relevant post. My humble apologies. Quote now included.

[DirtyMartini]

Originally posted by dregor
Ok, I gotta bite. You realize that The Colbert Report is satire that makes fun of blind patriotism, right Will9?

Glad I'm not the only one who was wondering. There are some posts that rank monstrously high on the unintentional comedy scale.

[Will9]

My patriotism is not blind, I am just very patriotic.

[dregor]

Uh huh. Still the target of Stephen Colberts jokes

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by Will9
My patriotism is not blind, I am just very patriotic.

Prove it. Tell us a few things that America has done wrong, recently.

[Will9]

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man


Prove it. Tell us a few things that America has done wrong, recently.

We were badly prepared for 9-11, We badly planed for the Iraqi invasion (I think we should've invading Iran in the first place), and we were badly prepared for Katrina (even though it was on FEMA's top 3 worst possible disasters list).

I think we have now gone way off-topic.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by Will9


We were badly prepared for 9-11, We badly planed for the Iraqi invasion (I think we should've invading Iran in the first place), and we were badly prepared for Katrina (even though it was on FEMA's top 3 worst possible disasters list).

I think we have now gone way off-topic.

Apolyton Civilization Forums > Civilization IV > Civ4-General > America?

Doesn't look like it. But then again, it's your thread.

[Ball Lightning]

I believe that america should not be included, as they have only had a short history.

[Will9]

Originally posted by Ball Lightning
I believe that america should not be included, as they have only had a short history.

Do you also think that Germany, the Aztecs, and the Incans which have all been around less than America should be included? If time is the only factor for getting in civ why not add San Marino.