America?

[Will9]

I seen many people say America should not be in the game (due to the fact that they have only been around 240 years, 1 month, 1 week, and 4 days) while they say nothing about the Aztecs or Incans (which were only around half the time as America). I have no problem not putting a banana (even when I usally do) because I want no screwing in the pole.

[Dis]

I think we've had this discussion before.

It's not necessarily the length of time, but the fact that america got it's independence from another nation.

But how can you not include america? America kicks ass.

[Will9]

Here is a post of mine from another thread.

Originally posted by Locutus

Familiar is different things for different people, that's my whole point. I personally think it's ludicrous the Zulus and Americans are in the game, they have absolutely nothing to do with world history as covered in Civilization -- the Zulu are not familar to me at all and the Americans only in the sense of mid- to late-20th century history (post-1940). The Khmer and Ethiopians OTOH most certainly are familiar to me.

Wow, suprising words coming from someone who could be living in the 2nd or 3rd Reichs if it wasn't for America. America really has been a major power since the Spanish-American War (1898?-1899?). America saved the world in both world wars. By the way,
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

[Dis]

good point. If there is no america in the game, then there should only be 1 civ to choose from. Germany. Because everything would be german.

[dregor]

This thread is stupid and pointless, really it's beneath this community.

[Dis]

yeah it belongs in off topic. It'd be right at home there.

[Brael]

I can honestly say I've never read one of those arguments about should America be included in Civ but if I were argueing against it I would see myself saying that the majority of Civ takes place before America existed and that it shouldn't exist for that reason. On the otherhand, I like America in Civ and would say it should be there since the Civs are of the greatest civilizations in history (either through longevity or power at sometime in history) and America definatley fits that category. Also, technically when you think about it most civs haven't existed as great empires for the majority of the time Civ covers... just look at Rome. Civ spans 6000 years, the Roman empire itself went from 44 BC (crowning of Julius Caesar) to 476 AD (Death of the final emperor). Or if you want to stretch it you could say that Rome existed from 753 BC (founding of Rome) to 1453 AD (Ottomans taking Byzantinium). Even if you go with the much longer lived empire thats only 2206 years or roughly 1/3 of the time Civ covers.

So ya, America should be in.

[johnmcd]

Total nonsense, and the World War arguement diminishes the country you claim to be proud of.

[Adagio]

Civs that should be in Civ should depend on how they have infleunced the world, not by how long time they have existed

[LordShiva]

This poll is invalid

[Qwertqwert]

I don't think any of the choices are right. We should have 2 American Civs. Old America with the 13 colonies and New America with all 50 States. But I guess since you disagree you hate America Will9.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Dis
good point. If there is no america in the game, then there should only be 1 civ to choose from. Germany. Because everything would be german.

Actually, it would be Soviet.

And Indian

[Will9]

Originally posted by Qwertqwert
I don't think any of the choices are right. We should have 2 American Civs. Old America with the 13 colonies and New America with all 50 States. But I guess since you disagree you hate America Will9.

Qwertqwert, NEVER ACUSE ME OF HATING AMERICA.. If your posts were less frequent I would put you on my ignore list. Now how do know I disagree I had just never thought of it. I think it is great idea. Maybe Old America's UU could be the the Continental. Repl Rifleman it has the same strength, but is slightly cheaper and faster.

I'm suprised at how many people think America shouldn't be in the game, but the Incans and ans Aztecs should be in the game.

[Will9]

Originally posted by LordShiva


Actually, it would be Soviet.

And Indian

When I said 2nd or 3rd Reich I meant more likly the 2nd. If America had not entered WW2 the Soviets might have defeated Hitler. If America had not entered WW1 the Central Powers probably would have won.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Will9
When I said 2nd or 3rd Reich I meant more likly the 2nd. If America had not entered WW2 the Soviets might have defeated Hitler. If America had not entered WW1 the Central Powers probably would have won.

Imagine if the whole world were Austro-Hungarian