University of Sankore Confirmed PLUS Images of the Bezerker and MORE!

[Nikolai]

Originally posted by Autotropx Sox
Ignorance, honestly, knows no bounds

Algebra was developed in Ancient Babylon, not in the Islamic Era middle east, in the first millennium B.C.. Algebraic formulations and compositions then spread from the Middle-East to India, Egypt, and Greece where it was being used long before Muhammad ibn Mûsâ al-kwârizmî published The book of Summary Concerning Calculating by Transposition and Reduction.

And yet, for all of the yelling and critiques of me being a bigot and "euro centrist", in spite of the fact that I grew up in Malaysia, I have yet to see one credible thing actually making the Islamic world of the Middle Ages, its "golden age", a credible period to add into the game. They simply didn't accomplish anything except for the spread of their religion into Asia, Africa, and Europe.

Sorry, but I simply won't give credit to a people who's only contribute to this world was a militarist religion and a "manifest destiny" to conquer the world for Allah.

Jeez... There might be some troublesome issues with parts of islam regarding fanatics and tolerance, but you can not deny that the islamic world did some fantastic things culturally and scientifically. All civilizations have contributed with warfare and atrocities, and islamic civs have been no exception, but what you say here is way out of line Auto.

[Solver]

Now, to those who haven't got themselved banned, let's return to the topic of Civ4.

[Simplicity]

Originally posted by Louis XXIV


Artemis, Mausoleum, and Sankore (isn't that right?)

You're forgetting the Great Wall of China...
One of these things is not like the others, and right now
it seems like the Mausoleum is out of the game.

[Simplicity]

Originally posted by johnmcd


modern, the time since the American Revolution.
world, the country known as America.
history, the bits Americans consider important that have happened in the modern world.

Funny, but come on... Don't blame all this bigotry on America. We're not all that bad.

[Nikolai]

Originally posted by Solver
Now, to those who haven't got themselved banned, let's return to the topic of Civ4.

Aye, aye, capt'n.

Since the first part of the topic of this thread is done to death, let me say that I look forward to actually see an image of a berzerker, the one in the anglospanish(?) link given in the OP was just a handmade one. I really like Hannibal's look though, he really gives an impression of stern determinism.

[Solver]

That "handmade" image is concept art. And concept art often gives a better representation than a screenshot would .

[NFIH]

Originally posted by Autotropx Sox
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Bach's music was extremely influential on the Baroque period in European classical music. His works and life helped set the stage for a dramatic explosion in the arts in Europe and helped paved the way to a world where Europe's culture, not Asia's, was the dominate one instead of the subordinate.

Eh? And here I thought Europe dominated because it had the guns and used them. You've managed to trace it back to the superiority of "European classic music." Haven't heard that one before.

Culture goes where the guns go. This is why American culture is the most dominant culture today. Obviously, many millions of people, especially Europeans, decry American culture but America is the strongest and ergo its culture dominates.

[Arrian]

Culture goes where the guns go

And trade. While I cannot disagree that American has guns and uses them, we also have money and use that

-Arrian

[Simplicity]

Originally posted by NFIH


Eh? And here I thought Europe dominated because it had the guns and used them. You've managed to trace it back to the superiority of "European classic music." Haven't heard that one before.

Culture goes where the guns go. This is why American culture is the most dominant culture today. Obviously, many millions of people, especially Europeans, decry American culture but America is the strongest and ergo its culture dominates.

That's kind of a simplistic view... Nobody is putting a gun to people's head to make them watch MTV. America pioneered in the entertainment industry (they built Hollywood, Broadway, AND Rock N Roll ). So, they managed to create a number of entertainment Meccas, if you will. Hollywood and New York are were you go if you want to be an actor, hands down.

Once such important areas exist, they act as a talent drain on the rest of the world. Silicon Valley draws computer scientists in the same way. So, America's culture growth around the world fuels itself...

[Imran Siddiqui]

re: Algebra. Sure the Babylonians and Indians were doing some work with algebraic concepts, but the first ones to put it all together was Al-Kwarizmi. There is a reason he is refered to as the "Father of Algebra" and why Algebra comes from an Arabic word.

By your logic, neither Leibnitz nor Newton came up with calculus as ancient Indians were doing work on infinitesimals and differential equations as well as derivatives long before Leibnitz or Newton were both, yet both are given credit for discovering calculus because they put it all together and came up with fundamental theorum.

[Arrian]

Let's let it go. He's banned now anyways...

-Arrian

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
but the first ones to put it all together was Al-Kwarizmi. There is a reason he is refered to as the "Father of Algebra" and why Algebra comes from an Arabic word.

Until like right now, I always thought that the guy who came up with algebra was Al-Jabar, hence the word "algebra."

On an on-topic note, I don't like the leaderheads for Hannibal or for Brennus It's too bad they didn't add any female warmonger leaders to give us something nice to look at in the diplo screens ("You're head would look really good on a pole" )

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by LordShiva
On an on-topic note, I don't like the leaderheads for Hannibal or for Brennus It's too bad they didn't add any female warmonger leaders to give us something nice to look at in the diplo screens ("You're head would look really good on a pole" )

Reminds me of the punchline to an old Marie Antoinette joke ("My Lady! The peasants are aroused, and they're screaming for your head!").

I was racking my brain for a few minutes for some actual female leaders (as opposed to Civ2's version of "leaders" that included Eleanor Roosevelt, who never led the USA). Couldn't come up with anyone memorable who isn't already in Civ4. Any ideas?

edit: Jeanne D'Arc was quite the warmonger in her day...

[Arrian]

But, as many nitpickers have pointed out in the past, she was never the leader of France. She was a general.

I'm glad Hap. (sorry, spelling escapes me right now) of Egypt made it.

-Arrian

[monkspider]

I have to give Firaxis credit for coming up with just about every worthy female leader there was, at least for the game's existing civs.