University of Sankore Confirmed PLUS Images of the Bezerker and MORE!

[monkspider]

http://www.hardgame2.com/index.php?zone=news&mod=noticia&id=25044

This relatively obscure Spanish website seems to confirm the University of Sankore as the third wonder and has some cool new images of the Bezerker, Hannibal, and more.

[Common Sensei]

In reference to Shaka (and Aggressive in general, no doubt): "He also doubles the production speed of barracks, stable, and drydock."

That's a new one. Stable?

[monkspider]

Originally posted by Common Sensei
In reference to Shaka (and Aggressive in general, no doubt): "He also doubles the production speed of barracks, stable, and drydock."

That's a new one. Stable?

That is a new one! I wonder what they could be referring to?

[Common Sensei]

Originally posted by monkspider




That is a new one! I wonder what they could be referring to?

They might be separating out the buildings that give experience. Barracks for Melee/Gunpowder/Archery/Armor/Siege, Stable for Mounted, and Drydock for Naval.

[Autotropx Sox]

Stable for Mounted

...so, I guess, with next expansion, we can expect a Siege Facory and other generic RTS buildings to give different unit types experience? Seriously, this adds nothing to the game.

University of Sankore

Ah, PC wonders sure are fun

[Solver]

What's the importance of what it's called? It can be University of Sankore, the MIT, or the Garden of Apolytonia. The important parts are what the wonder does, how balanced it is and how fun it is.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Common Sensei
They might be separating out the buildings that give experience. Barracks for Melee/Gunpowder/Archery/Armor/Siege, Stable for Mounted, and Drydock for Naval.

That would suck alot. There's already too many buildings to build

[Imran Siddiqui]

How is it a PC wonder? Jeez louise, people just want to yell "PC" whenever their cherished Western buildings aren't chosen... the University of Sankore was a renown center of learning with a massive collection of books and manuscripts.

[Autotropx Sox]

What's the importance of what it's called?

At most, the University of Sankore was just a study center of the Islamic religion and the metaphysical as well as spritual aspects of Islamic theology. It shouldn't be world wonder; instead, it should be just another learning center which could easily fall under the generic term "monastery" or at most "univesity".

Shaka

Did anyone notice the model they used for Shaka? He sure looks a lot more striking than the huge, black cuddly bear they had for him in Civ III.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Autotropx Sox
At most, the University of Sankore was just a study center of the Islamic religion and the metaphysical as well as spritual aspects of Islamic theology. It shouldn't be world wonder; instead, it should be just another learning center which could easily fall under the generic term "monastery" or at most a "univesity".

The University of Sankore was far more than simply Islamic studies. Math, geometry, history, physics, astronomy were taught in general studies. Sure the highest work was done on philosophical and religious studies, but to say it was just a study center of Islamic religion is silly.

Also it had eventually ended up with 70,000 manuscripts and books. It was a center of learning which the largest collection of books in Africa since the Library of Alexandria.

[Solver]

In the 12th century, 25 thousand students were attending Sankore, given how Timbuktu had a population of 100 thousand. That's pretty major, and certainly not just a generic "university".

It was a HUGE centre of learning famous around the world at its time. Very different from the European universities, but certainly important.

[Simplicity]

Ah, monkspider. There's the site I was referring to that confirmed the Wikipedia. I knew it was out there somewhere.

I'm guessing that there's isn't an explosion of buildings (seige factory, etc). But it's possible there is a new stable building... Horses are somewhat under utilized... Maybe someone caught on. I could see various uses for a stable building. The stable might give cumulative XP to horses in addition to the barracks.

That would give those axe-rushers something new to think about. It's funny... horse reveal gets moves to AH to limit horse rushes, maybe this is a step back from that?

[Autotropx Sox]

but certainly important.

That is the main contention; how is it important to modern world history?

Irrelevant of the masses of books, manuscripts, and religious zealots it attracted, how did the University of Sankore truly contribute to the world?

Its very premise was to be mainly devoted to Islam and the study of Islamic theology and philosophy, not to pure science or mathematical formulae. Sure, they did study some of those subjects, but so did major Christian learning centers in Europe during the Middle Ages and Renaissance; but do we consider them to be especial wonders unto themselves or classify them merely as monasteries?

[Simplicity]

Scientists were all philosophers in Sankore's age. Natural philosophers, specificially. Even at Oxford University, which is in the game already.

The University at Sankore probably had a larger impact on history than the Pyramids did, if that's the qualifications to make something a "wonder" of the world. Educating that many people is a big deal especially that long ago.

My guess is that "wonders" don't have to affect world history, but rather should be culturally significant buildings. The Pyramids qualify, as does the Uni at Sankore.

[Solver]

That is the main contention; how is it important to modern world history?

Irrelevant of the masses of books, manuscripts, and religious zealots it attracted, how did the University of Sankore truly contribute to the world?

You do realise, don't you, that the same argument can be used almost anything, any Wonder. How much did the Colossus contribute to the world, aside from being an impressive engineering feat? How much did the Parthenon contribute, aside from being an important place of worship for a group of people?