Advice on Specialists!

[Generaldoktor]

I've popped GP out of three different cities in my current game, (Noble/Marathon). This was inadvertent and was caused by building Wonders and relevant buildings in a third city late, which caused it to suddenly develop a whopping number of points fairly quickly. It was also captured from the defunct Spanish and was probably their top-producing city. I suspect this effect could be reproduced intentionally, with a little effort. Aeson, on another thread earlier this year, suggested also regularly returning specialists to the work pool in the top cities to recover GPP from lesser cities. (Essentially, allowing them to catch up by nerfing GPP in the former top cities.) This isn't that hard and doesn't strike me as extreme micromanagement, though he did suggest actually starving off the specialists if the city or cities in question got too big while producing food/hammers rather than GPP.

Edit: To answer Zhuren again, my recent experience suggests that you can develop GPP late, as nobody's previous graduations matter except yours, but yes; having early Wonders and specialists in place early would appear to give you an advantage anyway. In my current game though, I am very satisfied with GPP, even though I really didn't get it organized until almost Renaissance.

[fed1943]

All the multipliers are added and then aplied.

About planing of the GP: can you do it with GP and GE, too?

If yes, I really like to know how, please.

Best regards,

[Arbarbonif]

Originally posted by Quillan
Base numbers: your first GP appears when any city reaches 100 GP points. The second comes in when any city reaches 200 GP points, but the city that produces a GP drops to zero and starts adding again. On Epic speed, these get multiplied by 1.5, IIRC, and it's by 3 on Marathon. At the 10th GP (1000 points base), it goes up to 200 additional points per GP, and each 10 beyond that increases it by an additional 100 points base.

Does this include 'free' GPs? So does getting the free one for learning Music make all my other GPs cost more?

[Cort Haus]

Free GPs don't affect your GP production costs.

[zeace]

Sometimes I'll ignore GPPs for the early game, typically while I'm waging a war to conquer my continent. Then, once I've got clear domination of my continent, I need to build some infrastructure to build an economy capabale of supporting a war on another continent.

I find this is a great time to refocus on GPPs. It tends to give you a research boost you can use to research the economy techs, and if you haven't gotten many GPs yet, you can pop out 4 or 5 pretty quickly.

Then it's time to build some boats and expand the empire...

[Generaldoktor]

Originally posted by fed1943
All the multipliers are added and then aplied.

About planing of the GP: can you do it with GP and GE, too?

If yes, I really like to know how, please.

Best regards,

I guess the convention wasn't established here that we had on the thread last winter. When we say "Great Persons" we are abbreviating "GP". Thus everything that has been said applies to all types of Great Persons, watch the type of Wonders and specialists you allow in a given city to truly specialize. Engineers and Wonders that allow Engineers, breed Great Engineers, etc.

Great Prophet is generally on these threads now abbreviated GPr. So again, to get other than GPr, do the same thing, but watch your Wonders and specialists.

[Rancidlunchmeat]

What was the question? How to plan for GE and GPr?

Simple... build the wonders that provide those specific GPP and build the buildings that allow specialists that will provide those specific GPP.

And don't mix them!

We had a thread a while back about GPP specialization, and it was great fun. Well.. I had a blast anyway.

GEs are very difficult to come by. You can get them (early) by building the pyramids and/or using a specialist from the Forge.

There are Oracle Slingshot strats that use the Oracle solely to get to metal casting (instead of CS)... Then you build a forge, apply a specialist, and your first GP should be a GE if you build the forge and apply the specialist soon enough (because the Oracle is producing GPP for Prophets)... Oh, and yea.. that's TWO different cities, by the way.

If you build the Oracle and then the forge and assign an Engineer all in the same city, you might as well just flip a coin as to whether or not you'll get a GPr or a GE. It's true you'll get them faster doing it that way, but you can't be sure of which it is you'll get.

Which makes it rather useless, IMO.

[Generaldoktor]

Originally posted by zeace
Sometimes I'll ignore GPPs for the early game, typically while I'm waging a war to conquer my continent. Then, once I've got clear domination of my continent, I need to build some infrastructure to build an economy capabale of supporting a war on another continent.

I find this is a great time to refocus on GPPs. It tends to give you a research boost you can use to research the economy techs, and if you haven't gotten many GPs yet, you can pop out 4 or 5 pretty quickly.

Then it's time to build some boats and expand the empire...

This is what I have ended up doing in my last two games, including my first one on Prince. I set it up for a nice "study" in GPP and then some d-mn settler spam sends me off to war. Oh well. I am getting back to it later in the game, as you did; and like you say, if you haven't got many yet, you can pop several out quickly, while everybody else is slowing down.

Fed1943: As usual, RancidLunchMeat says things better than I do. (Sometimes I get tangled up in my own tank treads! ) It was his thread last winter; here's that address again:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...Specialization